Genealogy Chat

thanks to every one that has replied to this message for help . especialy tracey . who spent a lot of her time yesterday . i am going to print all this out and and go through each reply step by step . im sure she is there amoungst this lot somewhere many thanks catherine

in 1861 it says 'abt 1860' because Elizabeth's age is mistranscribed as 6 months, but on the image it's 1 month. You were allowed 6 weeks to register, which could run into the June quarter if she was around 1 month old on census night. The subdistrict they're living in is Myton, which is the same subdistrict as the registration on Yorkshire BMD And there are no Massons at all in the Hull BMDs around that time. So it's looking very likely that the Elizabeth Masson that Tracy's found is the same girl who's registered as Mason

Hi Your original message says she is with her grandparents in 1871. Is this Edmund and Mary Pearson? They have a granddaughter with them called Elizabeth Mason. In 1861 they are living with daughter Elizabeth Pearson b1842 Hull daughter Helen Pearson b1837 Hull Son John Pearson b1839 Hull In 1860 an Elizabeth Pearson marries Thomas Mackerly but this is not the same Elizabeth as she is still with her parents in 1861 - not married Mary Pearsons death appears to be registered in June 1872, I can't find Edmunds but I am sure he was not alive in 1881. Elizabeth Pearson may have died in 1875 but the age is not given so it may be someone else. I can find no register of her marraige let alone to a Mason, didn't like registering things much did they?

Jess, it's the one I asked about on Records lol Charles Smell(Smelt) abt 1861 Hull, Yorkshire, England Head Wallsend Northumberland Lizzie Smell abt 1860 Hull, Yorkshire, England Wife Wallsend Northumberland Jessie Smell abt 1891 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Wallsend Northumberland Jessie born on Reform Street in 1889. May was born on Alicia Street in 1896. I'll leave you to try and figure it out for a bit. I'm off home :)

Haven't been following this one, what names and years of birth/places in 1891 are you looking for?

I'd go for Sculcoates as that's where both Jessie and May were born. Probably the 1893 one. You can specify a reference check of Elizabeth Smelt, nee Mason to be sure you get the right one. Or, ask for both Sculcoates ones with the reference check, and only send one payment. They'll just send the right one (hopefully) I don't know if it'll do you any good, but it will give another address as a point of reference.

trcey, it bug's me why can,t anyone find them on the 1891 census? i am just debating wether to send for arthur,s birth cert ,will it do me any good ? only problem there are tree arthur,s born between 1891 and 1894 2 sculcoates 1 beverley which one would you go for first ? catherine

I wonder if Jessie /did/ die and they had another child in 1891 who they nicknamed Jessie after her?

My lot are the same. I have one (more, but this one is the worst), the father was John, he has 9 kids. Those 9 kids go on to have 9 kids each, and call their kids all the same names as they were given. They marry wives of the same name and make my life a misery lol

tracy , another thing that makes it so hard is if you look on the 1901 census charles [stephen] smelt states he is 40 lizzie [elizabeth] states she is 41 but stephen was born dec qrt 1860 she was june qrt 1861 so surley the ages should be the other way round 1901 jessie is listed as being 10 ,she was born jan 1889 so she should of been 12 there are 100,s of smelts in yorkshire why do mine have to be the pain in the butt to find all the other's back to 1700,s was easy. catherine

Ok, never mind :) Not sure I'm gonna find them though. They don't make it easy, do they? lol

tracey, i never got arthur,s birth cert i just got the youngest and the oldest child at the time when i was trying to confurm fathers name with being chales on one and stephen on another catherine

Do you know which address Arthur was born at? I'm trying to narrow down the possibilities. They weren't at Reform Street in 1891.

Thanks Catherine. Least I know she was definitely born now lol I'll see what I can dig up :)

I said this one would'nt be easy theter are that many smelts in yorkshire and a lot of them carried names on through the generations jessie birth details registration district sculcoates no 439 21 jan 1889 67 reform st U S D jessie girl fater stephen smelt mother elizabeth smelt formerly mason fathers occ. plasterer reg. 25/3/1889 may smelt details reg. district scolcoates no 126 13/8/1895 5 providence place ,alicia street UD may girl father stephen james smelt mother elizabeth smelt formaly mason fathers occ. plasterer reg. 7/11/1895 this is the details from my grand mother's birth 1901 after the 1901 census reg. district tynemouth sub district wallsend no 219 28 oct 1901 born at 69 benton way wallsend U D mabel girl father charles stephen smelt mother elizabeth smelt formaly mason fathers occ. plasterer reg.9/12/1901 this is all i have catherine

A possible for Jessie! MASSAM Jessie Drypool Hull ref DRY/45/403 Oh maybe not Deaths Mar 1889 Massam Jessie 0 Sculcoates 9d 115

Margaret and Jessie are daughters of William Smell(t) and Eliza??? Now I'm even more confused! and they're here in 1901 William H Smelt abt 1865 Hull, Yorkshire, England Head Sculcoates Yorkshire Eliza Smelt abt 1866 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Wife Sculcoates Yorkshire Ellen Smelt abt 1884 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sculcoates Yorkshire William Smelt abt 1889 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Sculcoates Yorkshire Jessie Smelt abt 1891 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sculcoates Yorkshire Eva Smelt abt 1893 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sculcoates Yorkshire John Smelt abt 1895 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Sculcoates Yorkshire Charles Smelt abt 1898 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Sculcoates Yorkshire George Smelt abt 1900 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Sculcoates Yorkshire What is going on???

Brenda, I think you're right about the twin bit Birth Dec 1890 Smelt Jessie Sculcoates 9d 167 Smelt Margaret Sculcoates 9d 167 but Jessie is with them in 1901?? Ahh, there's two of them. Birth Dec 1890 Smelt Jessie Sculcoates 9d 167 Deaths Jun 1890 Smelt Jessie 0 Sculcoates 9d 117 Birth Mar 1889 Smelt Jessie Sculcoates 9d 229 Twin died too Deaths Sep 1891 SMELT Margaret 0 Sculcoates 9d 115 sooo... Jessie born 1889 dies in 1890. Another Jessie is born as a twin in 1890. The twin dies in 1891.

That Jessie appears to have died in 1890 and the one on Ancestry looks as if she is a twin.

It could be her. When FreeBMD decides to work for me, I'll look for a Masson. I think Masson /should/ be Mason. I found an Elizabeth Mason in 1891, but not a Masson. What does it say in all the sections of Jessies birth cert? Makes finding them easier if I know all the details. If you don't want to post, you can PM me them.