Genealogy Chat

it seems harriets sister Hannah did remarry. But he didn't last very long seeing as she is widowed again in 1901. Perhaps you should order this marriage cert to see what Harriet and Hannah's father occupation was in 1898. Marriages Dec 1898 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOODIER Thomas Whyatt Chorlton 8c 1326 Rowland Charles Henry Chorlton 8c 1326 Turner Hannah Chorlton 8c 1326 WOODWARD Jane Chorlton 8c 1326 Possibly Charles Henry's Death: Deaths Jun 1899 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rowland Charles Henry 47 Chorlton 8c 419

Bear in mind that 'father's occupation' on the marriage certificate was sometimes copied from the bride or groom's birth certificate, rather than what his occupation actually was at the time of the daughter or son's wedding. I'm certain of this because there are a couple of cases in my family where the father had changed his occupation many years before but the old one appeared on the son or daughter's marriage cert. Kate.

Or perhaps Hannah's first husband didn't die. Perhaps she didn't get on with him or she may of been a bigamist ;oO Deaths Dec 1910 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TURNER John A 53 Chorlton 8c 453

Unless there was 2 Hannahs? A cousin, perhaps?

Tracy Doubt there was two, as the second marriage I found is in relation to Hannah's first marriage name TURNER and not her maiden name Kirkham. Besides it is very unlikely Harriet husband would have Hannah as a sister in law if it was Harriets cousin.

Oh, yes. Sorry. I'll go back into my corner now :)

Lou, Presuming that the birth in macclesfield in 1863 is correct---->is macclesfield under cheshire for parish records? If so,a little trip to the Chester CRO might be in order,to scrutinize the church records. If youre nice to me....I could put them on my list next time i go. :-)

By the ages of Harriet in 1891 and 1901 even though they seem to be quite incorrect and the age of Hannah in 1901 I am wondering if maybe the baptism/births you found to Martha and John are not your Harriet and Hannah. regards, Siobhan

Perhaps births for Hannah KIRKHAM, Hannah 1860 March Births Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Kirkham, Hannah 1861 March Births Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire and maybe the birth of Harriet KIRKHAM, Harriet 1864 June Births Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire

To Everyone who has contributed since I went to bed last night! Thanks for all your suggestions and information! Hannah did remarry in 1898 but father is just stated as John Kirkham, occupation Deceased! Her first husband died in 1893 but is simply registered as John Turner. I know it's the right person as the informant was another of the brothers George Henry Turner and the address matches that of their 1891 marriage certificate. I have the 1864 Manchester birth certificate for Harriet and its not her. Neither that one or the 2 for Hannah have a father called John. Harriet is very inconsistent with her age on the census - she is 17 in 1881, 22 in 1891, 27 in 1901 and 32 when she dies in 1906! So is Hannah. She only ages 2 years between her 1891 and 1898 weddings, although the 61-91 census do give her age as consistent with an 1856/1857 birth. The witnesses to the marriages don't really hold many clues at the moment. John Alfred was witness to Harriet and Joseph's marriage along with a Mary Butler. Joseph was the witness at Hannah and John's marriage along with a Phebe Seaman. The names of both women don't mean anything right now but may turn out to be relevant in the future. Who knows! The 1881 Harriet is definitely her. My ggrandfather Ernest was born in 1883, 2 years before Harriet and Joseph married, and his place of birth is given as the Moss Side address Harriet is working at in 1881.

Perhaps they weren't very good in numeracy which is why the ages are so different in each census. As you mention Harriet was a servant in 1881 in Moss Side. I presume this is Hannah: Hannah Kirkham abt 1856 Manchester Servant 41 Derby St, Moss Side, Lancashire, England

Could this be Hannah in 1871 as a servant to the Sabin family. Hannah Kirkham abt 1856 Manchester Gorton Lancashire Frederick Sabin abt 1842 Manchester Head Gorton Lancashire Frederick Michal Sabin abt 1869 Birmingham Son Gorton Lancashire Howard Earle Sabin abt 1870 Birmingham Son Gorton Lancashire Mary Ann Sabin abt 1847 Birmingham Wife Gorton Lancashire

Hi Siobhan Yep, I'm pretty sure that is Hannah. The 1881 is only a few streets away from where Harriet was working, which doesn't necessarily mean anything, but could be relevant. I've ordered the death certs today for John and Martha Kirkham in the vain hope that maybe Harriet might have registered one of the deaths, although its pretty unlikely! I don't suppose there's much chance of John having left a will either, given that he died in the workhouse Lou

Cat, It is strange that neither Harriet or Hannah is with John or Martha in 1871. I suppose Hannah could of been a servant in 1871 if she really was born about 1857. But surely Harriet would be too young to of been doing anything. So where on earth is she. Possibly with a relative or the likes. But certainly doesn't seem to be anywhere as a Kirkham unless she has been transcribed as something obscure. Sorry I can't be much more help. :o(