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Can anyone find a pair of twins for me: FREDERICK A BAKER and ALFRED J BAKER – I have them on the 1871 with their parents Samuel Lacey Baker and Hannah Baker (nee Baillis) and sisters Louisa and Flora, all at Magdalen Street, Colchester. The boys are stated as both being 7 years old, so presume they are twins, and this makes their birth year 1874. Problem – I can find the rest of the family on the 1891 and 1901 – still in Colchester, but at Military Road, but I can’t find them. Have also looked for a death ref. for either of them during this period but can’t find one either. Anyone any other ideas? Thanks Trudy

Trudy They could be with relatives. Have you tried looking for their mother's parents to see if they are with them? Lynne

Is this your Fred? 1891 England Census Name: Baker, Frederick Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relation: Inmate Gender: Male Where Born: Colchester, Essex Birth Country: England Civil parish: Thorndon All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: Thorndon County/Island: Suffolk Source information: RG12/1458 Registration district: Hartismere Sub registration district: Mendlesham ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 147 Page: 1 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6096568 He is in a Reform school

Any clue what 'J' stood for, perhaps Alfred would have used this name?

The births... Birth Dec 1873 Baker Frederick Alfred Colchester 4a 302 no sign of another birth.... I wonder if it's the same guy? The J in 1881 looks more like a T.

Thanks Lynne & Christine Any joy with the other one??

Hi Tracey There's definitely two of them on the original census sheet. Trudy

I know, but what if the enumerator confused himself with the two names? It's possible. And since there isn't a birth for anyone called Alfred... except one in 1869.

Mmmmmmm plot thickens - you could be right Tracey, this one's a real puzzle all round. Thanks for looking Trudy

Alfred THOMAS Baker, lodger, a tailor in 1891 Name: Baker, Thomas Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where Born: Colchester, Essex Birth Country: England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Preston County/Island: Lancashire Source information: RG12/3438 Registration district: Preston Sub registration district: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 50 Page: 27 GSU Number: 6098548

Christine How on earth did he get to Preston?????? Thanks Trudy

on 1901 census at national archives, Thomas is back in Colchester, as a Leather facory hand. There is also a Frederick, but age, according to national census site, is 23. He, too, is in Colchester, as a leather factory hand. Bit of a coincidence. Strange thing is, I can't find them on Ancestry site.

Christine Can't find you leather factory hand, but have Thomas Baker on 1901 East Stockwell St, Colchester as a Steam Engine Brake Fitter - with wife and children, is this the same one? Trudy

Thanks to everyone for their help with this, if I disappear for a while it's because I have to go to work for a while now - will try to get back on later. Thanks again Trudy

The ones Christine found... Thomas Boker abt 1837 Colchester, Essex, England Head Colchester Essex (Builders Labourer) Elizabeth Boker abt 1846 Colchester, Essex, England Wife Colchester Essex Thomas Boker abt 1875 Colchester, Essex, England Son Colchester Essex (Leather Factory Hand) Frederick Boker abt 1878 Colchester, Essex, England Son Colchester Essex (Leather Factory Hand) Elizabeth Spinks abt 1889 Colchester, Essex, England Granddaughter Colchester Essex 1 Short Cut Road

Thanks for sorting that one out, Tracey. Back to the hunt! Christine Having to sign off - other duties call!!