Genealogy Chat

Have you any idea what searches were done by Central library? Did you know that there are 50-60 different sets of baptism records for catholic churches in liverpool alone,never mind other faiths.? Lets have a look at some addresses. Can you list briefly the facts that you do know in chronological order.

DEAR EVERYONE ONE THANKS FORYOUR INPUT,AND THANKS TO MERRY,I KNOW ELLA WOULDVE HAD OTHER KIDS(she was only young when she had my grandfather)BUT I HAVE GOT THE MARRIAGE CERTFICATE OF ELLA MACDONALD AND MR BROOKS THEY WHERE MARRIED IN 1916 THAT ELLA WAS 32YRS OLD AND THE OWNER OF A NUMBER OF COFFEE SHOPS IN LIVERPOOL, MY ELLA WAS ONLY 16(maybe a bit older)AND A MAID SO IT CANT BE THE SAME ONE, BELEIVE ME IVE GOT EVERY CETIFICATE MENTIONING ELLA MACDONALD ND NON OF THEM ARE MINE ITS SO FRUSTRATING, BUT I WILL KEEP ON LOOKING, THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR INPUT TONIGHT, IM SURE I WILL FIND HER SOMEDAY SUEXX

As a matter of interest, what WAS the maiden surname of the 32 year-old widow (I assume she had a dad's name on the marriage cert?)? Merry

DEAR ALTA,this is what i know about ella macdonald>>she was born about 1898, SHE WORKED S A MAID in the sefton park workhouse between the yrs of 1913-15 MY GRANDAD WASBORN OUT OF WEDLOCK on the 21st feb 1915 in a street in liverpool called beaconsfeild st(as stated on the birth certificate)no 17, NO FATHERSNAME WAS GIVEN ON BIRTH CERTIFICATE, GRANDAD WAS ADOPTED BY THE GOODLASSES SOMETIME IN 1915, NO MENTION OF ELLA WAS EVER FOUND AFTER THAT DATE(BUT WE NOWTHAT SHE STAYED IN LIVERPOOL AFTER THE BIRTH BECAUSE MY NAN REMEMBERS SEEING HER ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS)MY NAN MARRIED MY GRANDAD AND IS NOW 90YRS OLD..THE RECORDS OFFICE HAVE LOOKED UP THE ADDRESS HE WAS BORN AT AND COME UP WITH NOTHING, NO MENTION OF THE NAME OF ELLA HAS COME UP ANYWHERE, SO AS YOU CAN SEE IVE COME UP AGAINST A BRICK WALL SUEXX

DEAR MERRY, THE NAME OF FATHER ON MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE IA A ONE THOMAS MILLS(WINE AND SPIRIT MERCHANT OF 100 MILL ST TOXTETH PARK) IT REALLY ISNT MY ELLA(TO POSH HA,HA.)

A few questions to save me not using too many credits..... (1) Where was she born? (2) Have marriages been searched after 1915 and if so up to when ? (3) Have deaths been searched for after 1915,and if so,up to when? (4) Have all name variants been checked-Mariella,Eleanor etc?

YES ALTER IVE SEARCHED ALL OF THESE, BUT HAVE HAD NO LUCK SUEXXX

GOT TO GO TO WORK NOW(NIGHT SHIFT IN BUSY HOSPITAL)WILL BE BACK ON EARLY TOMORROW MORNING THANKS EVERYONE SUEXXXXXX

thanks teresa,but ella wasnt born until 1898 so she wouldve been a maid around 1910-12,the place that was put down as place of birth for my grandfather was 17 beaconsfield st toxteth park(owned by a miss lizzie orton brown- occupation nurse i wonder if ella was her maid?) oh well will keep trying bestwishes and thanks for looking suexx

People dont just disappear-there is a reason for everything-either she wasnt born with that name or perhaps was born in another country. On the birth cert what actual facts or such are stated? This problem needs stripping to the bones. Im not convinced liverpool library did a thorough enough search knowing the complexities of their records.

dear alta. ive searched for ella in scotland as well as ireland,the only real facts on my grandfathers birth certificate are as follows - mothers name ELLA MACDONALD.fathers name BLANK childs name and date of birthRONALD MACDONALD 21FEB 1915,place of birth 17BEACONSFIELD ST TOXTETH PARK,mothers occupation MAID/DOMESTIC ,no age for mother was given. it would really help if i knew her real age,family legend says that she was only 16 thats why she had my grandfather adopted, but i think she was older but where did she go after he was adopted no trace can be found.. suex

Conclusion: Family legends = get distorted over the years-unreliable. Age=keep an open mind Name =keep an open mind in my not very humble opinion,we have only one way to go forward with this at this stage. >>address given>>check all the nearest possible churches for a baptism>>this might shed light on her name.maps on the walls for different denominations will help narrow the field down.It is very possible that ronald was baptised twice. >>adoption was not legal in that year-made legal in 1927. >>ive seen adopted children have their baptism record updated in some records in liverpool parish registers,therefore worth looking for the possibility of an ammended entry . other considerations>> gores street index for background info on that address .Central has them for all years going up to 1970's.

dear alta, thanks for your very valuble input on this subject,i will look up the churches when im next in liverpool(live in wales) and will try to get some background info on the house,i really think that i will have to wait until the 1911 census comes out in2012 to get any real answers to this family history problem thanks again suexx

There is a Ella Macdonald on the 1901 census age 5 born in 1896 on the Isle of Man.Dont know if thats any help. Ann

Suzanne, i dont mind going myself.....its close by,and I know the place well.

dear teresa,im really excited by what you have just said,ive not found an issabella mcdonald born in scotland on the census(does it give her address, parents names?) and the person who was living in 17beaconsfield st at the time of my granfathers birth was a MISS LIZZIE ORTON BROWN occupation NURSE, ella could have been her maid but there is no mention of her , thanks for your very exciting input thanks suexx

I found that family last night in the Isle of man -it was the only ella macdonald on ancestry

thank you alter for your kindness that would be great. all info is on the thread,but if you want anymore mail me direct if you want suex

dear alter and ann, ive been trying to trace that ella from the isle of man to liverpool but i cant(will have to wait for the 1911 census to come out suexx

Hows this for a theory.......she went back to the isle of man and got married ??? Give me 30 mins-theres a good Isle of Man site called manx roots