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Hi, I need some help please, I am trying to find the correct birth entry for Harold Shaw born in 1884 in Mossley, Lancashire. In 1901 he is living with his family dad James, mum Sarah and sister Ada in Heywood. I have reference checked three entries for Bury and one for Ashton with no luck for either child, the family were in Heywood in 1891, mum is listed as Elizabeth with a younger brother Frank but I can't find an entry for him either although all children according to census info were born in Mossley where their dad came from. I am sure they have the same mum as she was born in Glasgow and the age ties in. Can anyone make sense of this? Thanks Lisa

Mossley LAN Ashton under Lyne mossley is ashton, so; Shaw, Harold 1883 September Births Ashton under Lyne Cheshire Lancashire

Hi Jim, I have ref checked this entry and it isn't the right one! Can you think of anything else I could try? Lisa

I have looked at 1891 and the places of birth are different. That means either different family or you cannot rely on information.

Hi Jim Mmmm indeed I did see that too, I tend to think it's the same family because mum was born in Glasgow, all members ages tie in and Elizabeth/Sarah's son Arthur Mayall did go to Heywood with the family, regarding their dad James I am pretty certain I have traced him back to Ashton Under Lyne, pre marriage, I just can't for the life of me find a birth entry for Harold, my Great Grandfather which is driving me crazy to say the least! Thanks for looking Jim Lisa

1901 James Shaw abt 1858 Moseley, Lancashire, England Head Heywood Lancashire Sarah Shaw abt 1856 Glasgow, Scotland Wife Heywood Lancashire Ada Shaw abt 1882 Moseley, Lancashire, England Daughter Heywood Lancashire Harold Shaw abt 1884 Son Heywood Lancashire I can't see this family in 1891. nell

Hi again Nell, Thanks for looking for me, I just can't see a way around this one! I do know that in 1901 the family were in Heywood and figured if I worked with what is for definate..... like his marriage certificate and traced back his Dad from occupation, age and place of birth, but am really banging my head on this. This is why I wondered if maybe the births were registered in Saddleworth (probably unlikely) but it is the only place that ties in with all tree children in the respective birth years? the last piece of my puzzle....... thanks again Lisa

Hi Nell In 1891 mum is Elizabeth born in Glasgow and still the right age, there is Frank born in 1888 and her son Arthur age 16, Ada and Harold age 9 and 7 respectively. I did find an entry for Frank age 8 years that died in 1896 as he isn't on the 1901 census, maybe?

Is this the one you've already checked in local disguise? Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1883 SHAW Harold Dukinfield Tameside DUK/98/97 or could yours be this one (also 1883), with a name variation: SHAW Harry Ashton Town Tameside AST/104/58 or Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1885 SHAW Harold Dukinfield Tameside DUK/103/84 SHAW Harold Knott Lanes Tameside KNO/26/15 all on http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk Christine

Got them - Harold is abbreviated which is why he didn't appear on index! Shaw, James abt 1858 Under Lane, Yorkshire, England Head Heywood Lancashire Shaw, Elizabeth abt 1857 Scotland Wife Heywood Lancashire Shaw, Ada abt 1882 Lydgate, Yorkshire, England Daughter Heywood Lancashire Shaw, Harld abt 1884 Morley, Lancashire, England Son Heywood Lancashire Shaw, Frank abt 1888 Morley, Lancashire, England Son Heywood Lancashire James is a mule spinner. Census image clearly says Mossley, not Morley. nell

Hi Christine, I have checked the Sept entry for 1883, but haven't (I think) seen the other one....... thank you for looking for me! Lisa

Hi Nell, that's them, then the plot thickens!

There are really to many Shaws. However if it is same family in 1891/1901 then Heywood is in Bury reg. district. SO Name: Shaw, Eliza Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 42 Quarter: June Year: 1900 District: Bury County: Greater Manchester Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 375

I know Mossley is near Ashton under Lyne, but do you think it possible that the children born Mossley, Lancs were actually born Mossley Hill, a suburb of Liverpool? nell

Hi Jim, on the 1901 census Elizabeth is Sarah! Same lady though...... I think I may be mad,

Just looked on streetmap uk and I see just above Mossley is Lydgate, where Ada's birthplace is, so I think the Ashton one more likely. Maybe they just weren't registered, or there was some problem in registration. Do you have James and Elizabeth's marriage cert? nell

May be same wife or; View Record Booth, David 1899 September Marriages Bury Greater Manchester Lancashire View Record Brooks, Sarah Jane 1899 September Marriages Bury Greater Manchester Lancashire View Record McEwan, Margaret Sinclair 1899 September Marriages Bury Greater Manchester Lancashire View Record Shaw, James 1899 September Marriages Bury Greater Manchester

Hi Nell, I have absolutely no idea, I thought that I had traced Harold's Dad James back to Ashton Under Lyne born in 1858, based on 1901 census info, had the same job and could only find two entries for James Shaw, kind of process of elimination! James dad being Hiram Shaw from Mossely also but written as Iram! Where on earth do I go from here?

Here's somewhere that might be able to help - possibly with baptisms if they haven't got the civil registers: http://www.tameside.gov.uk/leisure/new/lh23.htm Research your family history at Tameside Local Studies and Archives. We have census returns, parish and nonconformist registers, monumental inscriptions, indexes to wills, the IGI, the 1881 census index and other CDRoms and free public access to the internet. Advice sessions run by the Cheshire Family History Society are held 2pm - 4pm on the first Tuesday of every month. nell

Hi Nell No I don't as I have no idea if she is Elizabeth or Sarah and naturally there are entries for both,