Genealogy Chat

Martha Huntsworth born c1850 Watford, Hertfordshire. One of twins. Father is Richard (though appears as Robert in 1851). I have found her twin sister's death, but can't find her. Is BMD complete? She is not with the family in 1861. Joy

What do you mean by BMD? Freebmd is not complete, but 1837online is. nell

Oophs sorry, Yes meant Free BMD. I can't get anything on 1837 online. Pc is blocking the site for some reason. Joy

If you look at the coverage charts on freeBMD you will see that not all years are complete. (go to Main Page, bottom left of search page, then Information, Statistics, Coverage Charts, Deaths). Even the years that show 100% may not be quite that. I usually do a general search on the surname only for a year or so at a time through the period I am after (wider steps at a time if the name is uncommon) - Then you can see which quarters have noone at all for the surname, but also you may find some quarters with suspicious looking gaps!! For instance, I was looking for a Smith death (yes, I know!) and in the first quarter i checked that showed 100% on the coverage chart, I found there were no deaths for anyone called smith after the name Walter Smith......So no Williams or Winifreds!!!!! I then looked at the original pages and found Walter was at the bottom of a page and obviously the next page had not yet been done! Hope this makes some sense!??? Merry PS you can view images on FreeBMD even when they are not yet transcribed, Go to main Page, View Images and then fill in the boxes!

does she reappear with the family in later census?

Jess No she doesn't. The family are in Bermondsey in 1851 and they move around a lot. In a different County for virtually every Census til 1881. Joy

this sounds daft but i'll ask you. if she isnt with her family and never appears later with them, AND you cant find her birth - how do you know she ever existed? sorry had to ask jess ----------------------- sorry, she does in 1851 DOH!! View Record Elizabeth Huntsworth abt 1850 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Daughter Bermondsey Surrey View Record Elizabeth S Huntsworth abt 1822 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Wife Bermondsey Surrey View Record John Huntsworth abt 1845 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Son Bermondsey Surrey View Record Martha Huntsworth abt 1850 Watford, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Bermondsey Surrey View Record Mary Huntsworth abt 1849 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Daughter Bermondsey Surrey View Record Robert Huntsworth abt 1821 Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Head Bermondsey Surrey

Jess Family member has Birth Certificate (really old one, possibly the original). He can't find it at the minute as he had just moved to Spain and everything is topsy-turvy. Joy

what was the twin name and when did she die please

Twin is Elizabeth born c1850. Dies I in 1851 in Bermondsey. Joy

Do you mean the one that is with the family in 1851 census dies in bermondsey was martha's twin? Hang on a moment - how can one be born in watford and the other macclesfield and them be twins...on the image they are both aged 11 months but clearly states martha WAS born in watford Bizzare!!

Jess Yes that's what I mean. Meant Birth Certificates in prior message. He has both Elizabeth's and Martha's though he can't remember off-hand the date, he's in his 80 and his wife has just passed away so I'm trying not to bother him too much at the mo. Don't know what's up with 1851 giving different places of birth for the twins. He does know for certain that Elizabeth died in 1851. Joy

Name: Huntsworth, Mary Elizabeth Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1848 District: Macclesfield County: Cheshire Volume: 19 Page: 1_6 (click to see others on page) now i am even more confused!or is she someone elses daughter...??<maybe Eliz was Mary Eliz??? there isnt a Martha on the same page! Glory be...it gets worse, or i am having a nightmare before i go to bed!! View Record Huntsworth, Elizabeth 1847 September Deaths Macclesfield Cheshire View Record HUNTSWORTH, Elizabeth 1851 December Deaths Bermondsey (1837-69) London Surrey <<THATS YOURS!!

Jess Martha not Mary! Joy

I've sent out for reinforcements but they seem to be letting me drown!!

The cavalry is coming!!!!! Both babies reg Watford Q2 1850 Vol VI, dodgy page 647 or 649??? Doesn't help with death though!! Merry

My immediate thought is that Martha is the head of household's step-daughter and Elizabeth his full daughter, and he has only recently married Martha's mother? If your relly could find Martha's birth cert it would help to prove or disprove that because it would have her surname on it. Kate.

Oh, right, well, forget that idea then. The census enumerator just got the birthplaces in a muddle. Kate.

Does your relly know that Martha died young too? Otherwise maybe she is with somebody else on the 1861, but I must go to bed now and so can't look her up! Night night. Kate.

Could it be that the enumerator simply put in one ditto mark too many? Perhaps whoever copied the original to the sheet we see put in too many dittos.................. If you follow my drift............. I would say that the Mary Elizabeth Jess found for 1848 is the Mary on the census Rose