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Trying to find marriage for my gt grandmother...

who and where was she?? Dea x

Emma Moore married Thomas Matthews at Islington parish church 1st May 1865. They had children, including my grandmother. They lived all their married life in Lower Holloway, Islington. 1st May 1879 Thomas dropped dead in the street. 3 April 1881- census night - Emma is with her 2 children by Thomas Matthews, and a new husband, John Garvie. Now living in Greenwich. 15 Jun 1881 Emma and John's first child born in Greenwich. Cannot find this marriage in GRO indexes - have checked from Jun quarter 1879 up to 1909 when John Garvie died. Have been through entire Islington parish register and those for Greenwich. Have run out of inspiration! If you have no bright ideas, at least give me some sympathy!!! nell

Might he have been married to someone else already and therefore unable to marry your great-grandmother? Into his 30's.....most men were hitched by then (except my g-grandfather who escaped until he was 57! LOL) Trouble is, if that had happened, then his first marriage could have been anywhere, given his occupation :O(( At least his name isn't too common though....... Merry

Merry I haven't been able to find a marriage for him as either John Garvie or John Garvey! He moved about a lot, which doesn't help: 1846 Sep Gloucester 7 p361 John Garvey birth reg. 1851 HO107 1747 p.25 Railway Cottages Station Fletton Huntingdonshire John Garvie head mar 29 engine driver Scotland Jane wife 30 Wales ****JOHN son 5 scholar Gloucester James 3 at home Peterboro Elizabeth daur 1 1861 RG9 1272 57 p71 Oxford House, Swindon Jane Garvie head married 40 b. Pembroke Dock, Wales ****John 14 Gloucester James 13 Peterboro Elizabeth 11 Peterboro Robert 9 Peterboro 1871 ***John Garvie, fireman, lodging in Bootle 1881 RG11 /0719/ 62 p. 52 19 Nelsons Buildings, Greenwich ***John Garvie, an engine driver 1891 RG12 / 180 46 Trumans Road, Stoke Newington ***John Garvie, engine driver 1901 RG13 /208 / 114 p.58 8 Watson Street, Stoke Newington ***John Garvie, night watchman, It's a pain! nell

I know a family called Glarvey, which probably originated from Garvey. Could it be worth a try to see if your John is called Glarvey at all?? Good luck. Dianne xx

Hi Helen, Just a thought? The children on the 1881 census are down as son/daughter to head, and not step/son daughter, are you sure that Emma wife to john is the same Emma who was married to Thomas? do you have them on 1871census with thomas Roy

Nell I cant find Emma or her son Thomas in 1871 can you post the info for reference. Georgina.

Georgina, thats the problem, i cannot find any Emma with Thomas in Islington or their son Thomas e Matthews who should be on 1871 census as he was born abt 1867 Roy

Roy on the 1861 there are 2 Emma Moore's born exactly the same place & only 2 years apart in age, maybe Nell has their marriages mixed up? 1861 census..... Emma Moore abt 1844 Cottenham, Cambridgeshire, England Servant Cottenham Cambridgeshire Emma Moore abt 1846 Cottenham, Cambridgeshire, England Servant Cottenham Cambridgeshire Thomas junior should be on the 1871 census here is his birth ref: Births Jun 1866 MATTHEWS Thomas E Islington 1b 318 Georgina.

Georgina, I think untill Helen comes back to us with the 1871 census info we are stuck, i have tried every thing i can think of, they could be mistranscribed. Roy

Think this is her in 1871, for those who were looking: Emma Marthers abt 1844 Cambridgeshire, England Wife Islington London Thos Marthers abt 1839 Warwickshire, England Head Islington London Thos E Marthers abt 1867 Islington, Middlesex, England Son Islington London Eliza Thorne abt 1850 Cambridgeshire, England Sister Islington London Eliza Thorne is Moor(e) on the census page! Merry

Merry, looking at the image i would tend to agree with you, Roy

Well spotted Merry. Georgina.

dunno if this mite help but my gg grandmother called herself blatchley yet we couldnt find a marraige cert for her then when we cross referenced her childrens birth certificates and marraige certs we discovered the likely hood of her being married to my grt grt grandad were very very slim she had in fact told a few lies and caused myself and my cousins hubby a BIG headache so it mite be worth doing some cross referencing maybe she was never married ??????????????

Sorry peeps, I've been out shopping! Merry is right, lots of folk spent ages looking for Emma and Thomas in 1871 only to find them as Marthers! Emma's sister is not Thorne, but Moore. Emma was born in Cambridge in 1843. I know that the stepchildren are hers, Thomas Emmets Matthews is named after his father Thomas and grandfather Emmets. Annie Eliza is my grandmother. I think that a) either they never married, though I don't know why not or b) they married somewhere in London NOT Islington or Greenwich and the certificate copy never got to the GRO. I think it odd that they didn't marry, if that's the case. My dad said his grannie (Emma) was very correct & proper. On the other hand, I can't find that she ever had any of her children baptised either. nell

Well, a certain member of my family said his granny was most opposed to any of her children having sex before marriage, and guess who turned out to have been pregnant when she got married?! Kate.