Genealogy Chat

you are a star Ian sorry I couldnt get back earlier have to do some housework sometime. You have given me lots to go on . And Phoenix thanks very much for your reply too that does bear thinking about .

possibility for Alfreds marriage - 1885 DIGBY May Pancras 1b 16 JOHNSON Elizabeth Pancras 1b 16 Kemp Alfred William Pancras 1b 16 Kersley Anthony Thomas Pancras 1b 16 The 1891 census indicates the bride would hava e been May DIgby.

Just to add my two penn'orth. The daughter is old enough to be in service, in which case her birthplace could be London, unknown etc. The son would probably still be with his mother, but if the family split up, they might be in the workhouse.

OK. In 1851 Mary was a lodge with Anne Sperring in Lympsham, Somerset. Despite being only 15, she is described as a nurse. Anne was 85, a pauper and agricultural labourers widow. Still looking - watch this space! Ian

thanks thats her she was born in somerset ,

Do you have any idea where in Somerset Mary was born? There is a Mary Sperring b Loxton, Somerset, in 1835 on the IGI. COuld that be her? If so, it's just another clue. Ian

hi Merry yes I was wondering if that is what it meant , still not had a lot of luck on this lot still I am getting closer,I have had contact from someone in their family been a great help. Good luck , and by the way your disguise needs changing I recognised you ha ha ha

Hi Val, You have a lot of people working on this, so I am leaving well alone!! Can't help but stick my two-penneth in though...... I should think ''White X Place'' is Whitecross Place! Merry

Jeanette that would explain a lot if she died in 1876 I will check that out thanks a lot, and Ian I just noticed the info you got on freeBMD about Mary Sperring will try that too thanks a lot hope you slept well.

Ian I would gladly give you a prize if you can find the kids anywhere else , Hi Heather thanks for that but he is on the middle of the page.

thank you all very much I was surprised to see all the replies this morning I will check to see if she did indeed remarry under her maiden name which was Sperring , Emily did not die then she got married in 1877 .I do have all of them on 1861 but not after that only him on 1871 and 1891and cannot find the children after 1861

I would just say Val, I found a chap all on his own listed as Head in ancestry's transcription. I knew he had a wodge of kids and wondered if he was the right chap. I checked the image and found he was first on a page, so clicked to see the previous image - and there was the wife and half a dozen kids. Mistakes can happen, so always look at the image, particularly if the name is at the very beginning or very end of the census page.

I take it you have the 1861 census info. Do you know Marys maiden name? She may have reverted to it if she left her hubby. If she remarried, there are 3 Mary kemps in family rels married between 1866 - 1871. It would also be worth checking to see if she remarried under her maiden name. As she doesn't appear on the 1871 under Kemp, with the children with her, it is probable that she is using another surname. Free BMD: 1857 Hedges Sarah Anne St Giles 1b 417 Hodges Sarah Anne St Giles 1b 417 Kemp Jefse St. Giles 1b 417 Snewin Frederick Peter St. Giles 1b 417 **Sperring Mary St Giles 1b 417** (my emphasis) I am too tired to try the possible permmutations, but it might be worth considering this. Ian

Death of Jesse Kemp: Deaths Jun 1898 Kemp Jesse 72 Hendon 3a 126

1891 Kemp, Jesse abt 1829 Middlesex, England Inmate Hendon Middlesex

here they are in 1861 Alfred Kemp abt 1861 Div Ii, Kent, England Son St Pancras Middlesex View Record Emily Kemp abt 1857 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Daughter St Pancras Middlesex View Record Jessie Kemp abt 1828 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Head St Pancras Middlesex View Record Mary Kemp abt 1834 Somerset, England Wife St Pancras Middlesex have you got them in 1881 as i can't seem to see them but have seen some death dates that could be Mary and Emily Kemp, Emily Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 23 Quarter: September Year: 1879 District: Chelsea (1841-1981) County: Greater London London Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 183 (click to see others on page) Kemp, Mary Ann Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 43 Quarter: June Year: 1876 District: Shoreditch County: London Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 62 (click to see others on page) i had a few rellies saying they married when they where widows Jeanette

Problem 1861 View Record Jessie Kemp abt 1828 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Head St Pancras Middlesex View Record Jessie Kemp abt 1828 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Servant St Pancras Middlesex

1861 View Record Alfred Kemp abt 1861 Div Ii, Kent, England Son St Pancras Middlesex View Record Emily Kemp abt 1857 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Daughter St Pancras Middlesex View Record Jessie Kemp abt 1828 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Head St Pancras Middlesex View Record Mary Kemp abt 1834 Somerset, England Wife St Pancras Middlesex

View Record Jessie Kemp abt 1829 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Head St Leonard Shoreditch London

looks like he is on own sharing with quite a few 23 White X place but does say married Jessie Kemp Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England Civil Parish or Township: St Leonard Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: St James County/Island: London Country: England Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Source information: RG10/440 Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Holywell ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Folio: 79 <---- and page are the other numbers you have to say if you want some one to look at image and RG number Page: 46 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 270a GSU Number: 823357 i will have quick look to see if i can see wife Jeanette