Genealogy Chat

thank you Esta Margaret

Margaret The trouble with census transcriptions is the amout of times things are mis-transcribed - The surname being the worse ( I think ) When I search I rarely use the surname. I would look for the exact spelling just to check but then it's ususally either the first 3 letters followed by *.............or I find it easier to use the first name and birth details then just go down the list of reults for possibles. It's just practice after a while you can spot Mis-transciptions a mile off ....( Most ofthe time ) Esta

Thanks Kate see what you mean now stupid i am , and Merry I will do that get the certificate he married a Bertha Hughes thankyou Margaret

Yes, Margaret, I understand all that. What I was trying to say is, maybe William was Frederick's son by some other woman, but born 'illegitimate' so registered at birth under the woman's surname, but changed his surname to Dollery when he went to live with his father? But if this is what happened, and he wasn't originally given 'Dollery' as a middle name, it could be very difficult to work out who his mother was. I just thought it might have happened like that because it reminded me of the example I have given above. Kate.

If you are feeling flush, then here's an idea..... In 1901 ''your'' William Dollery (aged 14) is the only person of that name recorded as living in Berkshire. In 1912 there is this marriage for the same area: Surname Forename Spouse District Page No Event Quarter Year Dollery .....William .....Hughes Windsor2c 1123 Marriage Q4 1912 So you could get the marriage cert and see if he mentions a father! Merry

Thanks Esta no wonder I could not find it how do you put it in the search to find it spelt different thank you Margaret

1871...........found this Charles Dallery abt 1834 Hurst, Berkshire, England Head Winkfield Berkshire Ellen Dallery abt 1835 Hampshire, England Wife Winkfield Berkshire Fredrick Dallery abt 1867 Winkfield, Berkshire, England Son Winkfield Berkshire George Dallery abt 1870 Winkfield, Berkshire, England Son Winkfield Berkshire Mary Jane Dallery abt 1869 Winkfield, Berkshire, England Daughter Winkfield Berkshire

Hi Kate I don't know much about the Dollery family . Frederick Dollery married my great/grandmother in 1892 her name Mary Ann Goodchild I know all about her it is this William that is living with them in the 1901 census and down as son. Frederick is on the 1881 census with his father Charles and mother Ellen living in Winkfield Berkshire but I can't seem to find anything earlier than that. Margaret

Hmm... yes, it is a puzzle. There is a case in my partner's family tree that may be similar. One of his rellies, a Robert Kenyon, is unmarried and living with his mother in 1861. In 1871 he is married to a Leah and has son Alfred age 17. But in 1861 Leah was unmarried and didn't have any children with her! Luckily, in 1881 the son is called 'Alfred K. Bamber' (still living with his father, so I know it's him), and going back to 1861 I found an Alfred Kenyon Bamber living with his (unmarried) mother Alice Bamber. (Alice died between 1861 and 1871, I found it but can't remember exactly when now). Alice would have been about 29 when Alfred was born, so why she and Robert didn't get married, I have no idea. Anyway, your problem could be a similar case, but if they didn't helpfully give William the middle name 'Dollery' when he was born, it might not be so easy to figure out! Kate.

Kate, Good point - I've been caught out and wasted lots of head scratches on just this very 'technicality'!! Jane

Just a general point - any 'son' or 'daughter' on a census is only listed as the son or daughter of the head of household, so you cannot assume that the head's wife is the mother of the child. But also, you will often find a step-son or step-daughter listed as son or daughter. So this boy could be the son of either the head or his wife by a previous relationship. Kate.

Thank you for all the replies Esta it looks as though you found him as Sollary in the 1891 census. Yes Mary Ann Dollery maiden name was Goodchild and William was her brother as you see by the 1891 and 1901 census. Still confused whom William Dollery was wonder if Frederick parents died and he was a brother. will keep looking thank you Margaret

Dollery, Dick Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 37 Quarter: September Year: 1902 District: Winchester County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 72 (click to see others on page can't find wifes death

Yes, but the registration district is in London/Surrey!! A clue is that the volume ref begins with 1 (1d, isn't it?) - all the London one's are 1 These are the parishes it covers. Newington St. Mary (1870-1901), Southwark Christ Church, Southwark St. George (1870-1901), Southwark St. Saviour Merry

oh found this 1891 Dollery, Willie Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where Born: Walworth, London Birth Country: England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks Town: Peckham County/Island: London Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Source information: RG12/486 Registration district: Camberwell Sub registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 4b Folio: 74 Page: 62 (click to see others I thought St Saviour would have been London too!! so perhaps it must be this one then cant see him on the 1901 except with Frederick perhaps parents died and they took him in? Dollery, Dick abt 1865 Winchester, Hampshire, England Head Camberwell London View Record Dollery, Lizzie abt 1862 Andover, Hampshire, England Wife Camberwell London View Record Dollery, Willie abt 1888 Walworth, London, England Son Camberwell London

I thought there was a St Saviour in Surrey - Southwark I think !

that what it says on http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/places/ St. Saviour DEV Totnes Jeanette oh ok Devonshire

Oh no it isn't!! Merry

can't see that one on census St Saviour is in Devon Jeanette

Not sure it helps much but William is not with Frederick in 1891 either......... Name: Sollary, Frederick C Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where Born: Winkfield, Berkshire Birth Country: England Civil parish: Sunninghill Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Ascot County/Island: Berkshire