Genealogy Chat

Right you are.......extra long version in the post............. M x

I thought one half way up driveway to give enough time to get to the loo, or to spray the Mr Sheen can round the house? No good on the doorways, they are in by then.

OOh, you can buy those in the toy shops.....designed to alarm when adult enters kids room!! Off to buy two right now....Oh....do you have a back door too? I'll get four then.......... Two coming to you, emergency delivery.............. M x

I think we are going to have to set up trip alarms girl.

LOL LOL!!!!!! Merry x

Now Merry, about Mary Ann Hanson .......................... (LOL, when I was pming you about pulling lavatory chains, guess who walked in!!)

Thank you Heather! I think the Garrison Church (St Barbara's), may not have been built until 1888 :o(( It might be St Peter and St Paul at Wymering that you need. Suggest you try contacting someone at the Hampshire Lookup Exchange to ask? Or Portsmouth Record Office. ..............but only after you have tried for the birth cert through Fareham Registrars. Should you find that the birth and death certs from Farnham, for Agnes and Harriet ARE the right people and Harriet's maiden name turns out to be Harriett Ackley, then are you so desparate to trace Caroline's birth/baptism........?? I didn't know if you had looked in the Army Birth records on 1837online? I had a look, but couldn't see any birth for Caroline recorded there either :o(( Merry

Well thanks to Merrys hard graft, I think you are well on your way to sorting this one.

See you later then! If Fareham can't find a birth cert, then she may not have been registered. You could get the death cert for Harriet at the same time and maybe ask about the birth cert for Agnes, both 1864. OOPS NO, No, NO!!!!! Aldershot is FARNHAM (Harriet and Agnes) and Wymering/Hilsea (Caroline) is FAREHAM!! LOL Anyway.....If you get the Farnham certs via the local reg office they prob won't charge you if they turn out to be completely the wrong people!! Merry

The Whiteheads you found are mine. Edith Millicent was my Grandmother. Heather this little part is for you...she may be the sister of Aunt Annie? ha ha anyway Yes Caroline died very early in her thirties and William (Mother In Law) took the girls to live with the Archards. I have 10 more minutes to spare before my ride is here.

Well, at least we all agree its Portsmouth, Hants then! So Aldershot probably not that far away. This will be an easy wall to smash Marion.

Hi Everyone, I have emailed Sheila and asked her to check this all out. I cant believe how helpfull you all are. I,m not giving in Monty its just I have to go to work. I do different shifts. Sometimes broken ones. I have Caroline born in Portsmouth. Born in Ilsey. Born in Portmouth Hampshire. Born in Hilsea.

If it was me, I would contact Fareham Reg Office (which covers Wymering (Hilsea/Hilsey/Ilsey LOL) and ask them to check the birth records for Caroline Elizabeth McClelland. But maybe someone has already done this???????????????? Merry

So (yes, I know I'm talking to myself, but I will have forgotten where we are by later on.....!!!!!!) 1891: Edith M Whitehead abt 1890 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter Aldershot Hampshire >>>>>>Elizabeth Whitehead abt 1862 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Wife Aldershot Hampshire Florence A Whitehead abt 1886 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter Aldershot Hampshire Maria M Whitehead abt 1888 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter Aldershot Hampshire William Whitehead abt 1861 Ireland Head Aldershot Hampshire 1901: Blast is that him (William Whitehead), a widower.....recorded as Mother-in-law (should be brother-in-law!!) LOL! Anyway, so............ We have Caroline born: 1871 - Ilsey 1881 - Hilsey Hants 1891 - Portsmouth Hants 1901 - dec'd in 1898 So......surely Ilsey is just a contraction of Hisley and that (by rights) should be the Garrison at Portsmouth/Portsea called Hilsea?? Merry

Not being one to give up easily......now, let me see, Caroline either married Sheldrick, Thomas Elliot or WHITEHEAD, William George and William George Whitehead is on Marions tree and the other chap isn't...........So I'll take her husband to be Mr Whitehead, (from Cork) Back to the census....................... Merry

If we are, then that's in the parish of Wymering, Hants and there is a Garrison Church there, where Caroline could have been baptised?? That's why I need to know where she said she was born, after her marriage??? Merry

What I am going to do is pass this one over to.. Sheila on the Coast. This is my other family member I have found through Genes. I will email Sheila and tell her to get her head round all of this. Sheila is far more tuned into all of this searching. Mind you Sheila has made many attempts to get Caroline,s Birth Cert but nothing. The pair of us have sent emails off left right and centre to various places. Also The Robert you found in the Mental Institution is more than likely the Same Robert. Sheila thought maybe he suffered from Shell Shock? Another thing I cant get my head around is as Caroline,s Husband William Whitehead born in Cork Ireland and most likely Catholic wouldn,t Caroline have to be Baptised or Christened before she could have married William.? Sorry I,m not Catholic. This is where I have to leave it guys. I must email Sheila and tell her to check all this out. Be in touch later. Thanks everyone

Are we assuming that Hilsey is Hilsea at Portsmouth, where the garrison is? Merry

Could you confirm all the birth places given for Caroline? 1871Ilsey 1881 Hants, Hilsey What did she say after her marriage? Merry

Heather I,m having a spot of trouble understanding all this. Ok I will give the school theory a miss. If Caroline was born in 1861 and Mothers name is not important where do I state she was born for the Certificate requirement? I sent an email off not that long ago to try and find Varoline through Baptism,s for Hampshire. Nothing found. I,m sorry Guys.