Genealogy Chat

Hi Old Crone. I just loved your last story. The biter or biters bit!! :-) Keith

Crone you really are a mind of information, i have been searching for my gg/granmother so didn't see your reply until i gave up on her. but i can go to bed with a smile so thank you Ann :-)

Ann No, sadly, that was it for most of the girls - they were dead as far as their families were concerned. the villagers would not have allowed them to return and the family itself would have been ostracised if it had allowed the girl to return. Notice there is nothing said about the MEN!!!! Which reminds me lol! When I lived in Scotland in the early 1960s, there was a local Sherriff (Magistrate) who was known for his idiosyncratic punishments - he was known as the 'Hanging Judge'.. A young woman appeared before him, asking for maintenance for her illegitimate child. The man in question appeared, all suited up, with several mates, who all solemnly got into the Witness Box and swore on the bible that they too had enjoyed her favours. The poor girl was in floods of tears and her respectable mum was practically fainting. The Hanging Judge cast his eye around and said in deceptively reasonable tones that, given the evidence, sworn on the Holy Book, he really did not have the expertise to decide which one of these young men was the father. He would ask for blood tests, which would take about six months (he said) and in the meantime, as ALL seven men had enjoyed her favours, they could ALL pay her fifteen bob a week (the going rate) till it was sorted out. There was uproar from the mates (and their Dads) which resulted in six of the seven men being fined for perjury!!! Oh, how I LAUGHED!! Olde Crone

Tinning!!!! Thats awful poor girls to be bum rushed out of town like that, would their family have kept in touch or would they have disowned them? Crone As for the echo did'nt think it was a boomerang, maybe you are not throwning it high enough, remember it has to go over a mountain! Ann ;-)

Luverly thread. :-) ***little weeeeeed***

Talking of Bastardly Bonds lol, I was reading this last night, and came to the conclusion that you would have had to be very brass-necked indeed to be a slapper in the early 1900s. TINNING In the 1900s, the practice of 'tinning' was still prevalent in Catholica Ireland and Scotland and in many rural English communities. If a young woman became pregnant outside marriage there were two clear reactions. If the woman was engaged to be married, or the young man was also a member of her community, then the pair would be pushed rapidly up the Aisle and in due course would be delivered of a premature child. Everyone in the community would pretend to believe this fiction. No harm done. However, if the young woman had been foolish enough to become pregnant by a stranger, or even worse, an unknown man, then 'tinning' would take place. As soon as her condition became apparent, the locals would gather outside her house, carrying tin trays, which they would bang, until her family brought her to the door. She would then be dragged out and driven over the parish boundary by a mob banging the tin trays and shouting insults and abuse. She would never be allowed to return to the Parish. Some of these girls made it to Liverpool (Irish) but many finished up in the Workhouse, or even worse, in a Convent. Nice, eh? Olde Crone

Oh, I really must get Broadband, this dial-up is very restrictive, you have all been having fun whilst I have been doing mundane chores and talking to myself. And I certainly could do some fun. Anne, I keep trying to return your echo but it just bounces back - is it a boomerang in disguise, do you think? BASTARDY BONDS If you google for Bastardy Bonds, you wont probably find much. Bastardy Bonds were relatively rare and were only taken out where the putative father had a bit of dosh, or had a relative with a bit of dosh. The practice of Bastardy Bonds had virtually vanished by the mid 1850s. For the common-as-muckers, look for Bastardy Orders and Affiliation Orders. Lancashire is rich with these, ha ha, mostly down to MY rellies. A2A is an excellent place to start, in fact I never go anywhere else. If you can find a Bastardy Order on A2A, it almost always gives you both parents names and often, but not always, the child's name too. You will find them tucked in the Quarter Sessions records. Olde Crone

Jess Fortunately I don't know what that symbol means, dear!

I've only got one thing to say to you and its :-P

The crystal ball needs a good clean............. Merry

Hallo Phoenix. Unfortunately Mary Broad died without leaving a Will, and what I have is a sheet of paper showing her assets and their equal division between her surviving siblings and my grandmother, daughter of Mary's dead sister Emma. No addresses, and only lists my grandmother as Mrs. G. Williams. I wouldn't know who she was if I didn't already know, if you see what I mean! I have wondered about James and George being sailors or emigrating, but have no family knowledge of this and no idea where to start really. They may have joined the army but again, where would I look. I've done a search on their names on Nat Archives and a2a without success. nell

Hi Nell Was your legatee given an address as well as a name? As they were living on the tip of England, was it possible that they went to Canada , or South America, or USA or South Africa or Australia or.... A large chunk of my Edwards family (from Devon) went to Canada in dribs and drabs from the 1870s onwards and thanks to the wonderful Ian, I've found another chunk in Australia.

Merry I was joking - everyone's looked. I'm only interested because I don't know, they aren't direct line or anything. But anyway, in case someone else reads this and could do with a challenge GEORGE Broad b. 1856 in St Mawgan, Cornwall Birth ref: 1856 Mar St Columb 5c p.128 1861 Whitewater, St Mawgan with family 1871 indoor farm servant for Peter Cock 1881 age 25, gardener, at the Taff Vale Inn, Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales No trace after 1881. not mentioned in eldest sister Mary's estate which was divided equally amongst her surviving siblings. JAMES Broad born 1859 St Mawgan 1858 Sep St Columb 1861 Whitewater St Mawgan with family 1871 indoor servant of Stephen Vivian, St Mawgan, age 11 not found in censuses after this, but is mentioned as Jas. Broad, a legatee of his sister Mary's estate in 1925. St Mawgan is sometimes recorded as Mawgan or Mawgan in Pydar or St Mawgan in Pydar, and sometimes other members of the family put St Columb Major instead of Mawgan. Best of British! At least it will stop you killing your family. nell

You have told me to look for them before, but I don't know who they are!!! Go on then.....the details please (bored stiff - two kids constantly shouting at each other - hubby has been volunteered as ringmaster, but his version of sorting them is shouting too!!) Luckily, I can still READ with ear plugs....... Merry

Afternoon all! Nope, still can't blinky remember. I should have made a note at the time, except that I would probably lose it. Merry You ARE naughty! If you want something to do, try and find my blinky Broad brothers!!!! nell

Yaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn! Is it time to get up yet?? ..................Oh, half past three in the AFTERNOON LOL!!! Spent half the night waking up over and over as usual, but normally I just go back to sleep.....last night I kept thinking about some nice little messages I would type on here in the morning.......and now I can't!!!! Ggrrrrrr.............................. Jess, I won't publish your PM......................................probably......................... Merry x!!

Hello all, hope Nell is feeling better today and has rememberd what she wanted to ask ;-)=) Note to Olde Crone Without appearing rude would you please return my echo as i had become very attached to it and did wonder who had taken it :-> You deserve a medal for your restraint last night!!!!!! Ann

Nightynightypajarma'spajarma's ! Sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite ! Elaine ;-)

Time for beddybyboes! Bill is Bill and Ben is Ben. Simple, really. I think they are probably going to go for one of those civil partnership whatsits. I was always suspicious about Andy Pandy and Teddy getting into that hamper together too. Nightnight JessnElainenPhoenixnAnnnOldeCrone! nell

Nite bobby. x Was gonna go myself, but if we are seen going to bed together god knows what folks would say ! You go first ! Elaine ;-)