Genealogy Chat

Linda Glad you finally found them, it looks like Thomas was born c1831 then, so the 1851 i found earlier, with father James is a good possibility.... Ive no idea how you get info from IGI index...... i think if you visit a local LDS church/centre they could help as they have catalogues that can be viewed on micro film/fiche???

YIPPPEEEEEEEEEEEE I found them! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HANNAH WHITE Female Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM WHITE Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: THOMAS PEMBERTON Family Marriage: 24 OCT 1870 Moxley, Stafford, England Husband Age at Marriage: 39 Wife Age at Marriage: 33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M167252 1851 - 1876 1040772 Film NONE Sheet: 00 so how do I oreder the cert from this?? forgot to add it also confirms Thomas' father as James

I've checked it too Paul, don't know what to do now :( apart from disown all my ancestors and start knitting!

Hi Linda The plot thickens indeed. I have just had a quick look at the 'Marriage Index' images for that marriage and it does confirm what the BMD data suggested. Thomas Pemberton married Hannah White Oct QTR 1870 - West Bromich GRO Ref - 6b 1064. Sorry should have given you that ref last night....Paul

the plot thickens!! Been to West bromwich RO they have no record of that marriage! lady was very helpful searched 2 years either way too. So where do I go from here? could it be that they were just missed off the register at West Brom and is my only hope now waiting weeks for GRO?

Linda If you manage to get it please let us know details, im intrigued by the mystery..........lol

I am going to West Bromwich RO now to see if I can get the marriage cert, can't wait for it to come through GRO lol

I saw that too Linda, he's not very consistant with either his birth year or place, so it's anyones guess... It is possible the informant was'nt sure of his age... If you get the marriage cert for Thomas and Hannah it may give you more clues, ie his fathers name, age when married, etc... Im off out for a while now, will check back later... Good luck! Lib :))

have found a death Name: Thomas Pemberton Birth Date: abt 1841 Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 49 District: Walsall County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 481 What are the chances of his dob being this far out?

Thanks again LL you are a star! waiting for images to load (dont have broadband) so now I can add Doncaster to the wednesbury and lancashire I already have. OOh I wish I had just left Hannah as unmarried! lol

Good morning Linda, What a mistery... Ive found this for a Thomas Pemberton in Darlaston 1861: Image reads Thomas is son/lodger and a widower, Occupation, coal miner.. There is a James Pemberton living next door he is a Widower aged 70, born Lancashire Manchester. Occupation Tailor.. Address, Catherine Cross.. View Record Fanny Pemberton abt 1826 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Wife Darlaston Staffordshire View Record Thomas Pemberton abt 1829 Stockport, Cheshire, England Son Lodger Darlaston Staffordshire RG9/2009 Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Darlaston ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 30 Page: 9 Household schedule number: 53 GSU Number: 542902 ***Looking at image again it looks like James could be in same household as Thomas and Fanny*** ************************************************* This looks like the same Thomas and James in 1851: Thomas is unmarried, occupation a stone miner.. James Pemberton is a Tailor at home.. Doncaster looks more like Donnisgate on image... Address, Bridge street.. 1851 View Record Charles Davis abt 1849 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Son Bilston Staffordshire View Record Mary Davis abt 1811 Meisbury, Shropshire, England Wife Bilston Staffordshire View Record Thomas Davis abt 1806 Travornen, Shropshire, England Head Bilston Staffordshire View Record Thomas Davis abt 1839 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Son Bilston Staffordshire View Record Adelaid Pemberton abt 1783 Doncaster; Manchester Lodger Bilston Staffordshire View Record James Pemberton abt 1777 Doncaster; Manchester Lodger Bilston Staffordshire View Record Thomas Pemberton abt 1831 Doncaster; Manchester Visitor Bilston Staffordshire HO107/2021 Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Bilston ED, institution, or vessel: 1u Folio: 488 Page: 22 Household schedule number: 71 GSU Number: 87425-87426

thanks paul for all your help last night. I would never have solved the mystery of Hannah without you and LL!. fresh eyes this morning and still I can make no sense of it all 71 shes married to Thomas (marriage you found) 81 shes head and a widow and using WHITE(although Thomas is a boarder!) 91 Back as Pemberton and a widow (no mention of Thomas 01 shes living in a totally different county and Just where was Thomas born? he doesn't seem to know!! anyone here a medium?????

Hi Linda Sounds like you have another mystery on your hands; Might be worth while following Thomas Permberton through the Census and BMD to see if that holds any clues. Cheers...Paul

LL you were thinking the same as me, and why were the children called WHITE on the 1881 census

I wonder why she reverts back to her maiden name in 1881, when she married in 1870..... Glad you have something to work with, or should i say A LOT lol Good night Linda Lib :)) *****Thomas Pemberton also states he is a widower in 1881***

ooooh Paul thank you so much!!! how on earth will I sort out all this mess to add it to my tree!! I have umpteen certs on order already but got to get this one!

Just to round it off; Try this for size :) Thomas Pemberton 1870 Oct-Nov-Dec West Bromwich , Staffordshire Hannah White 1870 Oct-Nov-Dec West Bromwich , Staffordshire, Cheers...Paul

Linda, think i would have left too, just for some peace lol

these are definately my people, lots of the kids names and dob's fit just the surnames. All I have to do now is find a marriage if she did ever marry this man! a whole new can of worms opened up, thank you both sooooooo much for all your help it's very much appreciated Now I know why my thomas left home young and his sister sarah went with him, always thought there had to be some reason for him being the head at 17 with his 13 year old sister when he mother was still alive

Hi Linda Yes this looks like them, the Oram / Horam name is too strange to be wrong. can you find Hannah in 1891 ???? - Oops LL has just done it :) Cheers...Paul