Genealogy Chat

Ive just looked for Georges death on a pay to view site - familyrelatives.org which is really useful usually for the period 1866-1920 as you can bring up all events for any name in one shot. Have to say, no George Rathmell died according to them from 1901-1911??? (Except a 2 year old in 1906) Im wondering if he were still alive when Maria left him and thats why she didnt marry until 1933?

Oh Gawd, Mary, of course your right. Ill have a quick look for it on the ancestry bmd index - at least you have cut down the trawling!! HELEN: If you want to use the GRO online facility use this reference: Name: Samuel Keeling Year of Registration: 1848 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Cheadle County: Staffordshire Volume: 17 Page: 55 http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp You complete the form - just follow it through using the info you have above, remember to tick the box which asks if you have a reference. You complete the registration with your details, use a card to pay £7 and then wait for them to send the certificate. It will give you both fathers names.

Hunslet's somewhere inYorkshire, I think. Just realised George was still alive in 1901, so I needn't have copied all that stuff. Would the marriage reference from StaffsBMD be OK for obtaining certificates from GRO? I seem to remember reading somewhere that the local offices use different reference numbers.

Wheres Hunslet? Perhaps Helen knows. Well, looks like a trawl then. Thanks for your collaboration Mary! I wish I was starting all over again - you get info coming in from all directions dont you. Now I sit and think, who shall I try again to find.

No George Rathmell death in Staffs BMD, but FreeBMD is working for me. These are the only ones I found, but none of them looks very promising. Deaths Sep 1866 RATHMELL George 15 Warrington 8c 96 Deaths Jun 1873 RATHMELL George 34 Skipton 9a 39 RATHMELL George Robert 0 Leeds 9b 270 Deaths Dec 1883 RATHMELL George 0 Leeds 9b 326 Deaths Dec 1887 Rathmell George Edwin 14 Keighley 9a 151 Deaths Jun 1897 Rathmell George 51 Wakefield 9c 35 Deaths Mar 1906 Rathmell George Douglas 2 Hunslet 9b 173

Helen, couldnt resist it 1861: LIving 1 Goodys Yard, dad is a silk weaver Elizabeth Wheeler abt 1830 Sudbury, Suffolk, England Wife Sudbury St Peter Suffolk James Wheeler abt 1829 Sudbury, Suffolk, England Head Sudbury St Peter Suffolk Rebecca Wheeler abt 1853 Sudbury, Suffolk, England Daughter Sudbury St Peter Suffolk Susanna Wheeler abt 1851 Sudbury, Suffolk, England Daughter Sudbury St Peter And here is another marriage certificate for you to buy! Marriages Sep 1850 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodwin Elizabeth Sudbury 12 682 Wheeler James Sudbury 12

thankyou will try speak with my nan tomorrow and will speak to you soon thanks again for your help and time i really appreciate it!!!!1

Helen, you have a lot to take in here. So print it all off. Treble check that it makes sense (Im half way through a bottle of sauvignon so dont want to have made mistakes!). Then decide what more info you need. Do you need to get Rebecca Wheelers marriage cert aswell to trace the Wheeler line? Check in again tomorrow when you have sorted all this lot first! Personally, although he isnt your ancestor, Id want to find out about George Rathmells death - you could always send for his death certificate? (Mary, are you still lurking - freebmd is down - dont have a handy George Rathmell death do you??? 1901-1909?)

Well, dear old Mary in Italy has been lurking (and I thought I was all alone on here tonight) and has very kindly found you the reference you need for the certificate. If you buy it from the records office where the event was first registered. Ive updated further down with the address you need if you buy from the GRO online site. See below

thanks Mary :-)

Not sure whats happened here, seems some confusion over Georges year of birth. Im wondering if they have mixed him up with Joseph? (Joseph doesnt appear on previous census) 1871: Charles H Jowers abt 1867 Little Bentley, Essex, England Son Little Bentley Essex Ellen M Jowers abt 1870 Little Bentley, Essex, England Daughter Little Bentley Essex George Jowers abt 1865 Little Bentley, Essex, England Son Little Bentley Essex James Jowers abt 1859 Little Bentley, Essex, England Son Little Bentley Essex John Jowers abt 1862 Little Bentley, Essex, England Son Little Bentley Essex Joseph Jowers abt 1829 Little Bentley, Essex, England Head Little Bentley Essex Joseph Jowers abt 1855 Little Bentley, Essex, England Son Little Bentley Essex Maria Jowers abt 1835 Little Bromley, Essex, England Wife Little Bentley Essex

no i not sure how to get one i am new to all this i only started tracing my ancestors so anything you can tell me would be greatly appreciated. i cant tell you how much i appreciate the help you have given my nan will be thrilled :-)

Now the Jowers family: 1861 and here is George as a 5 year old with parents Joseph and Maria >>>George Jowers abt 1856 Lt Bentley, Essex, England Son Little Bentley Essex James Jowers abt 1859 Lt Bentley, Essex, England Son Little Bentley Essex Joseph Jowers abt 1829 Lt Bentley, Essex, England Head Little Bentley Essex Maria Jowers abt 1835 Lt Bromley, Essex, England Wife Little Bentley Essex

Here you go: Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1848 KEELING Samuel / BURTON Sarah / Alton, St Peter Staffordshire Moorlands / 1C/1/129 From http://www.bmsgh.org/staffsbmd

Unfortunately freebmd does not have the marriage of Samuel Keeling and Sarah Burton (that was the mother in laws surname,so should be thewifes maiden name). To find the marriage reference, you should go to ancestry and check the free bmd index - not the name search freebmd as that is what Ive already checked. Say look for the most unusual name - Samuel Keeling about a year or two both sides of Georges birth. You can then use the reference to buy the certificate at GRO online for £7 and see Sarah and Samuels fathers names. Do you know how to buy a certificate?

Heather this is brilliant thanks so much. i have wrong dob's that was where i was going wrong thank you!!!!!!!!!

i honestly dont know this is where the past is shady for us as we believe that george rathmell died down a well ?suicide. maria pregnant at time ? george's ?someone elses but my great great grandad david jowers took her on as his own she is called phyllis jowers born 1908. i have no idea where they married i have managed to find that george rathmell was born in Fewston, yorks abt 1880.

1861 - Now this is lucky, he is a 9 year old boy living with dad who is a nailer and mum AND you have got mother in law thrown in which gives you his mothers maiden name: Lucy Burton abt 1837 Alton, Staffordshire, England Sister-in-law Alton Staffordshire Maria Burton abt 1801 Bradley, Staffordshire, England Mother-in-law Alton Staffordshire George Keeling abt 1851 Alton, Staffordshire, England Son Alton Staffordshire Lydia Keeling abt 1860 Alton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Alton Staffordshire Olive Maria Keeling abt 1857 Alton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Alton Staffordshire Samuel Keeling abt 1824 Alton, Staffordshire, England Head Alton Staffordshire Samuel Keeling abt 1855 Alton, Staffordshire, England Son Alton Staffordshire Sarah Keeling abt 1831 Alton, Staffordshire, England Wife Alton Staffordshire

In 1871 George is working on a farm: George Keeling abt 1851 Alton, Staffordshire, England Servant Cheadle Staffordshire

The Keelings in 1881: Record Emma Keeling abt 1855 Alton, Staffordshire, England Wife Alton Staffordshire View Record George Keeling abt 1850 Alton, Staffordshire, England Head Alton Staffordshire View Record George Keeling abt 1875 Alton, Staffordshire, England Son Alton Staffordshire View Record Lydia Keeling abt 1879 Alton, Staffordshire, England Alton Staffordshire View Record Sarah Ann Keeling abt 1877 Alton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Alton Staffordshire