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Making some progress on thisa side of the tree. I have John Clark and Mary Ann (m/s unknown) of the death cert of a child Francis Lister who died in Leeds in 1953. I am trying to find birth details for John who was born about 1850. Any help gratefully received! Thanks

Please can you confirm the century??!!! Merry

John was born about 1850 his daughter Francis died about 1953 at a goold old age. My mother's family is quite long lived!

Oh! When you said a child who died in 1953, I thought you meant the dead person was of a young age! So....Francis (that's the mans spelling)....Frances (??) Lister died in 1953 (a spinster??) ....and her death cert mentioned her parents names? (unusual for an adult death). How old was Frances when she died? Merry

Ah, I've just noticed you have gone from Frances who died in 1953, to ABOUT 1953!! LOL There are no Frances Lister deaths in 1953. You can search free on Ancestry....... Merry

This is a wild stab in the dark, but is this them in 1881? John C. LISTER Head M Male 30 Hull, York, England Tram Conductor Mary A. LISTER Wife M Female 25 Leeds, York, England Tailoress Frances L. LISTER Daur Female 5 Leeds, York, England Scholar Frederick P. LISTER Son Male 2 Leeds, York, England Or do you need the death for Frances to confirm her age? Merry

If it is, then a possible marriage for the parents? Marriages Sep 1876 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>LISTER John Clark Leeds 9b 695 >>>>PAWSON Mary Ann Leeds 9b 695 Pawson Mary Ann Leeds 9b 695 Pickard David Leeds 9b 695 Suffell Sarah Ann Leeds 9b 695 Merry

Been a bit slow there.....just realised you gave his name at the start!! Sorry, got all wound up in the Frances thing......wasn't what you wanted at all, was it!! Merry

Has clarified a few things there Merry - didn't know the marriage details. I ahd a few scraps of paper with the details on from when a relative had started this a few years ago, and it said the info had come from a death cert. but no one seems to know where this is! It was John's birth and parents I was specifically after, but any help is good help. Thanks

Well I would think this is his birth reg on FreeBMD: Births Mar 1850 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lister John Clark Sculcoates 22 543 Merry

1851 census, not very helpful!! Mary Cooper abt 1812 Cottingham, Yorkshire, England Head Cottingham Yorkshire Fanny Jones abt 1839 Halifax, Yorkshire, England Visitor Cottingham Yorkshire John C Lister abt 1850 Hull, Yorkshire, England Visitor Cottingham Yorkshire Merry

1861 is better!! Anne J Lister abt 1853 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sculcoates St Paul Yorkshire George W Lister abt 1857 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Sculcoates St Paul Yorkshire Isabel Lister abt 1846 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sculcoates St Paul Yorkshire John C Lister abt 1851 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Sculcoates St Paul Yorkshire Robert Lister abt 1797 Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Head Sculcoates St Paul Yorkshire Robert is a librarian in the Lyceum library! Merry

Robert without his son in 1851: Charlotte Croasdale abt 1816 Grinsby, Lincolnshire, England Visitor Sculcoates Yorkshire Martha Crompton abt 1836 Hull, Yorkshire, England Servant Sculcoates Yorkshire Fanny Lister abt 1821 Winestead, Yorkshire, England Wife Sculcoates Yorkshire Isa Lee Lister abt 1847 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sculcoates Yorkshire Robert Lister abt 1801 Gunsby, Lincolnshire, England Head Sculcoates Yorkshire Thomas Lister abt 1844 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Sculcoates Yorkshire Merry

marriage of Robert and Fanny: Marriages Mar 1843 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARCHER William Henry Sculcoates 22 294 >>>CLARK Frances Sculcoates 22 294 >>>LISTER Robert Sculcoates 22 294 PARKIN Mary Sculcoates 22 294 SMITH Elizabeth Sculcoates 22 294 SMITH William Sculcoates 22 294 WILKINSON William Sculcoates 22 294 Wiseman Elizabeth Sculcoates 22 294 Merry

Merry you are an absolute star!

Forgive my ignorance what's the Lyceum Library?

I had no idea, except that I'd heard of it! LOL I googled and found this on Genuki: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Hull/HullHistory/HullHistory11.html Merry

If you don't specially want a legal marriage cert copy, but want exactly the same info and with original handwriting (and potentially significantly cheaper), have a look at Yorks BMD. The marriage info for Robert & Fanny tells you it was at All Saints Church - so you may be able to get a copy of the relevant Register page: Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1843 LISTER Robert CLARK Frances All Saints, Sculcoates Hull HAS/4/51 [I don't know whether this earlier one is relevant or not: Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1842 LISTER Robert GIBSON Ann Holy Trinity Hull HD/4/340] likewise: Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1876 LISTER John C PAWSON Mary A St Peter, Leeds Leeds CE46/87/28 So you might be able to get a copy Register page for that one, too. Christine

There are a whole lot of Sculcoates births which may or may not be your lot... Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1838 LISTER Mary A East Sculcoates Hull EAS/1/3 Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1843 **LISTER Thomas G East Sculcoates Hull EAS/5/104 Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1844 LISTER Leonard East Sculcoates Hull EAS/5/327 Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1846 **LISTER Isabel East Sculcoates Hull EAS/7/336 Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1848 LISTER Frank East Sculcoates Hull EAS/8/473 LISTER Sarah J East Sculcoates Hull EAS/8/368 Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1850 LISTER James R East Sculcoates Hull EAS/10/297 **LISTER John C East Sculcoates Hull EAS/10/128 Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1852 **LISTER Ann J East Sculcoates Hull EAS/12/375 LISTER William East Sculcoates Hull EAS/12/253 and so on... including: Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1857 **LISTER George T East Sculcoates Hull EAS/16/272 Christine

Here are some Leeds births (of the millions!) Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1877 LISTER Frances L Leeds North Leeds NORT/139/231 Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1878 LISTER Frederick R Leeds North Leeds NORT/144/39 Even just picking out the Leeds North births would give you too many for just random cert-buying! Christine