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Can't seem to find any info on them - please see below

Hi all I have already posted regarding this family tonight (see ‘Advice needed for Piece Folio & Page’ post further down list) Thanks to Sam I now know how to do this and Merry cleverly found the family for me. I was looking for CROSS and Marry found them mistranscribed as below:- 1871 Jane Crop abt 1846 Somerton Wife Wiveliscombe Somerset Jas Crop abt 1855 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Son Wiveliscombe Somerset Mary Ann Crop abt 1866 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Daughter Wiveliscombe Somerset Thomas Crop abt 1812 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Head Wiveliscombe Somerset Thomas Crop abt 1869 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Son Wiveliscombe Somerset I have since been looking (in between helping son with GCSE revision) for family in 1861. As James was born in 1855 I thought his mother may have died and Thomas married again. I can’t find James or Thomas in 1861 Also can’t find Thomas marriage to Jane I then looked for both Thomas’ in 1881 and can only find the following:- Name: Thomas Cross Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation: Inmate Gender: Male Where Born: Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Civil parish: Wellington County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: 'Wellington Union Workhouse' Occupation: Scholar (Pauper) Source information: RG11/2362 Registration district: Wellington Sub registration district: Wellington ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse Folio: 114 Page: 7 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 1341568 I suppose this could be my g-grandfather Thomas as his father was quite elderly when he was born (poor boy). I can’t find his birth either. Lot’s of Thomas’ but none born around that date in Wiveloscombe. Can anyone else please spot the family in 1861 or any other possible Thomas in 1881? I could be going crazy as I am helping son do HISTORY revision!! I hope he does better tomorrow than I am tonight

keep getting drawn back to these in 1861 Caroline Cross abt 1852 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Daughter Wiveliscombe Somerset Frederick V Cross abt 1857 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Son Wiveliscombe Somerset James Cross abt 1827 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Head Wiveliscombe Somerset James Cross abt 1856 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Son Wiveliscombe Somerset Mary Ann Cross abt 1824 Ireland Wife Wiveliscombe Somerset Mary E Cross abt 1854 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Daughter Wiveliscombe Somerset William C Cross abt 1859 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Son Wiveliscombe Somerset Georgeana Saffin abt 1841 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Servant Wiveliscombe Somerset

This family must be related...1861 census. Caroline Cross abt 1852 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Daughter Wiveliscombe Somerset Frederick V Cross abt 1857 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Son Wiveliscombe Somerset James Cross abt 1827 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Head Wiveliscombe Somerset James Cross abt 1856 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Son Wiveliscombe Somerset Mary Ann Cross abt 1824 Ireland Wife Wiveliscombe Somerset Mary E Cross abt 1854 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Daughter Wiveliscombe Somerset William C Cross abt 1859 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Son Wiveliscombe Somerset Georgeana Saffin abt 1841 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Servant Wiveliscombe Somerset Georgina.

Jess, in 1871 Yvonne's ''Crop'' family are listed as well as the Cross family you mentioned :o( There are two James born 1855 in Wiveliscombe Merry

This could be Thomas's marriage to Jane... Marriages Mar 1864 Brewer Cornelius Robert Wellington Som 5c 552 Cross Thomas Wellington Som 5c 552 Gadd Caroline Wellington Som 5c 552 Squires Jane Wellington Som 5c 552 Georgina.

Has Janes age been mistranscibed on 1871? Suzanne

I initially thought they were my family but like Merry said they are on the 1871 too. Also father is James not Thomas. Thanks for looking

Yes, Georgina that could be them. I didn't spot that on Ancestry Free BMD Wiveliscombe came under Wellington so thats looking good Thank you

This could be the death of Thomas Snr Name: Thomas Cross Birth Date: abt 1813 Year of Registration: 1878 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 65 District: Wellington Som County: Devon, Somerset Volume: 5c Page: 274 (click to see others on page) That would make it possible that Thomas jnr could have been in the workhouse

If that is her in 1861 then she would have only been 9 when she got married or 13 having Mary Ann! I have been looking at the rest of the pages for the workhouse and can see 4 more Cross entries: Sarah Cross unmarried Age 55 b Devon Lillie Cross Age 8 Ellen Cross Age 6 Walter Cross Age 4 All born Wiveliscombe.

Yvonne it looks like that is the right marriage... Thomas Cross Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 1869 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: Thomas Cross Mother: Jane Squires Georgina.

Yvonne I deleted that 1861 entry for Jane , I mistook her date of birth as 1855 not 1846. Georgina.

Fantastic! How is it I can never find anything I am looking for on IGI? Are ther any more - for the names i gave above?

Yvonne it looks like they had a daughter Harriet in 1871... Harriet Cross Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 1871 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: Thomas Cross Mother: Jane Squires Which means this is Jane in 1881... Harriet Cross abt 1872 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Jane Cross abt 1841 Langport, Somerset, England Head Wiveliscombe Somerset William Cross abt 1880 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Son Wiveliscombe Somerset Georgina.

I’m glad you said that I thought I had been seeing things. Do you think this could be Mary Ann maybe pretending to be a bit older than she was Name: Mary A. Cross Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where Born: Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Civil parish: Wiveliscombe County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: Church St 'Royal Oak Inn' Occupation: Domestic Servant Source information: RG11/2359 Registration district: Wellington Sub registration district: Wiveliscombe ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 44 Page: 17 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 1341567

I was just looking at the same image and it says she is a widow. Poor Jane. Do you think that is Thomas in the workhouse? Wouldn't he be working on the farm at 11? What about the other children in the workhouse are they Jane's? Oh dear so much to think about. And where was Thomas Snr in 1861?

Yes that looks like Mary Ann.. If you want any of their birth certificates... Births Jun 1871 Cross Harriet Wellington, Som. 5c 355 Births Jun 1866 CROSS Mary A Wellington, Som 5c 416 Georgina.

Yvonne it looks like Thomas senior died & Jane couldn't feed all the children, or maybe Thomas was in the workhouse for an education.. Name: Thomas Cross Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation: Inmate Household: View other family members Family and neighbors: View neighbors Gender: Male Where Born: Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Civil parish: Wellington County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: 'Wellington Union Workhouse' Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar (Pauper) Source information: RG11/2362 Registration district: Wellington Sub registration district: Wellington ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse Folio: 114 Page: 7 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 1341568 Georgina.

Just had a look at family search and got this:- Husband Thomas Cross Pedigree Birth: About 1834 Of, Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Christening: Marriage: 1864 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Death: Burial: Father: William Cross Family Mother: Mrs William Cross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wife Jane Squires Pedigree Birth: About 1838 Of, Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Christening: Marriage: 1864 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Children -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Mary Ann Cross Pedigree Female Birth: Christening: 1866 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Thomas Cross Pedigree Male Birth: Christening: 1869 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Harriet Cross Pedigree Female Birth: Christening: 1871 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Death: Burial: Says Thomas' father was William Also that he was born in 1834 and Jane in 1838! I will send for the cert of Mary Ann I think and for the wedding cert Poor things, I have plenty to think abour now. Thanks for everything Georgina I could never have hoped to get so much tonight.