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I have received a babies death Cert, the cause of death reads (ii) Haemorrhage or (a) Haemorrhage. It isn't too clear. I wondered if this would mean a certain type? Thanks for any help.

Literally means bleed. Poor little mite.

Haemorrhage means massive loss of blood. Since both your alternatives seem to say the same thing, I don't quite understand what the problem is. Can you clarify? Andrew.

Thanks, so as far as you know there are no diff types that were registered?

could mean brain heamorrage,lots of infants born prem due to poor diets, living conditions,disease,brain heam a big factor in prem births,(even now)xx

as in was (i) a different type of haemorrhage to (ii) or (a) to (b)

Well, it's sometimes specified where the blood loss came from (brain haemmorhage, lung haemmorhage, stomach haemmorhage etc.), but otherwise I'm not aware of any difference. Andrew.

There are many types of haemorrhage. It depends on where the bleed is. i.e Brain haemorrhage in common simple terms a stroke. If you cut yourself even slightly you heamorrhage. It relly depends whether there is any other info on the certificate to give a clue.

hiya, what tracy means is the two things on cert before haemorrhage, is either (ii) or (a) The mother actually lived, but doesnt give anyother info except Haemorrhage for the childs death, was only 3 hours old, bless it, hope this helps to clarify thank you Julie

If there are a)s or i)s it means that other causes of death are listed too, they are numbered or alphabeticised to tell them apart. A haemorrhage is an uncontrollable bleed. nell

Sorry, I didn't notice the distinction between (a, b) etc. and (i, ii) etc. in your original post. As I understand it, the difference is that (i, ii, iii) etc. give the immediate causes of death, where (a, b, c) etc. give secondary causes. These days you get (1, 2, 3) listed instead of (i, ii, iii). For instance, I've seen a death cert which gave the cause of death as (1) Multiple Injuries; (a) Fallen from a train. In other words, it was the multiple injuries that caused the death (immediate cause) but the fall from the train which caused the injuries (secondary cause). Hope this helps. Andrew.

hiya, i have seen the cert, it definately is either (a) or (ii) and just haemorrhage, absolutly nothing else, which is what puzzled me, like u say if there are secondary causes you'd expect then too be listed too, but there is nothing Julie

Thanks the last replies make more sense as i know it was a full term baby Grandma got married nov 1913 i knew she didn't get pregnant til 3 months later. so it wasn't a prem baby, was just curious as to what the ( ) meant.

So you're saying that there's only one cause of death listed, and it's either (ii) or (a), but you can't tell? In that case, regard it as the primary cause of death and don't worry about secondary causes. Registrars can make mistakes, particularly over such trivialities as the difference between (ii) and (a). Come to think of it, (ii) implies that there should be a (i), and if there isn't, it's probably meant to be (a). Andrew.

Did the baby die at or near birth? In which case it could have been a torn placenta which caused the baby to haemmhorage, especially if the mother was not being attended at the birth. Placenta praevia would also cause a fatal haemmhorage in a newborn baby. OC

the only reason i asked was because there is definately a (a) or (ii) and i hadn't seen it before. And it looks more like (ii) than (a)

hiya, yes andrew, u gottit in one, or should that be (i)???LOL but what type of haemorrhage could affect a baby? only 3 hrs old, surley if it was cerebral it would've said?, just think it was odd just to put haemorrhage and nowt else Julie

He was 3 hours old. How depressing for a saturday night sorry.

Hi Julie, As Olde Crone says, a torn placenta could well account for it. A modern death cert would probably give more info but if this was 1913-4 I doubt if you would find out more unless there was an inquest. Andrew.

Thanks it was nov 1940 so will just accept what info I have. but as I said was the (a) or (II) that I couldn't understand.