Genealogy Chat

going to go now reg as i'm up early in the morning ...it's that dreaded work again speak to you soon ...gwyn

No probs....that's what this site is about............ Good luck Reg

oooops sorry reg i'v put the out the wrong way round

reg'thanks for everything you'v don for me and i don't even no you very much but it's nice to know that there are people uot there willing to help....gwyn

Gwyn I haven't ever used it............so can't help much, other than to suggest that you google......... I get all my info from Ancestry. Reg

reg where do you get all your info from, i'm astonished. i think i must be going wrong somewhere. could you please tell me where the family relatives site is.....gwyn

This looks like Jane's father's SECOND marriage............... Mary Morgan 1892 Jan-Feb-Mar Llanfyllin Denbighshire, Montgomeryshire, Powys View Record Isaac Williams 1892 Jan-Feb-Mar Llanfyllin Denbighshire, Montgomeryshire, Powys It explains the difference in ages and birthplaces of his wives on the two censuses. Reg

1891............... View Record Edward Williams abt 1887 Llanrhiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Son Llanrhaiadr in Kinmerch Denbighshire View Record Isaac Williams abt 1853 Llanrhiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Head Llanrhaiadr in Kinmerch Denbighshire View Record Jane Williams abt 1890 Llanrhiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Llanrhaiadr in Kinmerch Denbighshire John D Williams abt 1881 Llanrhiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Son Llanrhaiadr in Kinmerch Denbighshire View Record Margt Williams abt 1815 Llanrhiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Mother Llanrhaiadr in Kinmerch Denbighshire View Record Margt Williams abt 1885 Llanrhiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Llanrhaiadr in Kinmerch Denbighshire View Record Mary Williams abt 1864 Llansanan, Denbighshire, Wales Wife Llanrhaiadr in Kinmerch Denbighshire Reg

The snag is........... can't find Thomas G..........he isn't living in Llanrhaiadr, so without knowing his father's details for cross-ref, it's difficult. The marriage cert would give you that info............... Reg

don't mind at all Gywn hope all the information is correct. Marie

hi guys i'm back again, thanks also to heather,marie and you reg for taking the time and helping me.as you don't need to i really appriciate it.and yes reg i think you have found them.but could you please tell me where the family relatives site is.....and marie thank you but please don't use your own credits and i think you have found two of my aunty's and my uncle thanks for that.... and heather i don't feel offended at all i'm so graetfuul that you guys are learning me so much and i have written all info down kind regards gwyn

Reg I found this as well 1914 HOWELLS Thomas Goronwy Llanfyllin, Civil Marriage Powys - Welshpool FYLLIN/19/71 In the list below are the other names that are on the same page as your initial selection. Review the list and select the entry that you believe is the correct one. When you click on the reference number this will display a partially completed application form for you to print off. Possible spouses: Surname Forename(s) Reference JONES Robert FYLLIN/19/71 WATKINS Sarah Jane FYLLIN/19/71 WILLIAMS Jannie FYLLIN/19/71

1901 census John Thomas Evans abt 1882 Llansannan, Denbighshire, Wales Servant Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Edward Jones abt 1876 Henllan, Denbighshire, Wales Servant Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Evan Sidney Morris abt 1871 Llanfair C, Montgomeryshire, Wales Restor Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Edward Thomas Roberts abt 1883 Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Servant Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Jane Roberts abt 1883 Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Servant Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Alice Williams abt 1894 Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Edward Williams abt 1887 Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Son Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Ennie Williams abt 1892 Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Isaac Williams abt 1853 Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Head Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Jannie Williams abt 1890 Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire John David Williams abt 1881 Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Son Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Maggie Williams abt 1885 Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire View Record Mary Williams abt 1854 Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Wife Llanrhaiadr Denbighshire Reg

I'm not normally a gambler, but I'll put money on this marriage........... Thomas G Howells 1913 Jul-Aug-Sep Williams Llanfyllin Denbighshire, Montgomeryshire, Powys View Record Jannie Williams 1913 Jul-Aug-Sep Howells Llanfyllin Denbighshire, Montgomeryshire, Powys Reg

Marie That's very generous of you to use your units on Gwyneth's behalf............ Based on her father's birth info, I would suggest that the relevant ones are those in Llanfyllin. I had a PM from her earlier....she is absolutely certain about Gronwey's name. Reg

are you certain of the names Gronwey Howells and Liza Jane Williams??

these are the births that came up on familyrelatives site. there are possibly more but will not show mothers maiden name. they obviously may not be all connected to you either. No Surname Forename1 Forename2 Forename3 Mothers maiden name District Page No Event Quarter Year View Image 1 Howells Cyril R Williams Llanfyllin.11b 312 Birth 3 1920 2 Howells Evan E Williams Cardigan.11b 1 Birth 3 1917 3 Howells Graham Williams Crickhowell.11b 132 Birth 3 1919 4 Howells James A Williams Cardigan.11b 2 Birth 2 1916 5 Howells Levina Williams Cardigan.11b 3 Birth 4 1913 6 Howells Mabel M Williams Llanfyllin.11b 299 Birth 4 1913 7 Howells Martha L Williams Cardigan.11b 2 Birth 4 1912 8 Howells Mary E Williams Forden.11b 293 Birth 2 1920 9 Howells Muriel Williams Crickhowell.11b 146 Birth 2 1916 10 Howells Muriel Williams Llanfyllin.11b 257 Birth 1 1918 11 Howells Rees O Williams Cardigan.11b 4 Birth 2 1915 12 Howells Thomas E Williams Llanfyllin.11b 309 Birth 2 1915

Gwyn, please dont take this the wrong way, but you need to get some sort of system in looking for your people. You should be working backwards using the info you know to be fact and then looking for the next information which will lead you backwards. What certificates do you have which show names and dates? You will need to start deciding which certificates are essential to buy so that you can cut out all the guess work. Have you got all the information you received the other day? You need to enter it all somewhere on a program or even on paper to see what you have and what you need. The same with the other side of your family. Otherwise you will get really confused by all the names, dates and places. If you dont want to buy a family tree program you can download a free one from familysearch.org I see there is a thread about a 30 day free trial on ancestry - that would give you all the census available from 1901-1841 plus lots of other info like bmd. Do you think it would worth taking the trial? Have you read the Tips for Newbies thread or the getting started article on the home page here?

Gwyneth I would think, on balance, that your best course of action would be to purchase some units for the familyrelatives site. It is fully searchable for bmd's in the period 1866-1920, and you can use any one of many criteria in the search. You should be able to find the births of at least some of your father's siblings, and also the marriage of his parents. Once you have the marriage ref, you can order the cert and find out the ages of the couple at the time, plus the names and occupations of their respective fathers. Reg

hi reg and elaine,there seems to be some confusion i changed my thread becouse i had the information i needed and i,m trying to trace both my farthers side and my mum's side my mum's father being william thomas and my dad's side being gronwey howells and as i'v said before i'm not famillar with the site yet still gatting use to it.and yes reg that is my farther and as i'v said i have very little info to go on so i might be wrong aboute dates and times .and my situation is difficult but don't want to go into detail.but thank very much for taking the time to reply you also elaine........gwyneth