Genealogy Chat

I have this family in 1861 - they are proving a real problem. View Record Thomas Atelbery abt 1812 Worsley, Lancashire, England Brother-in-law Killingworth Northumberland View Record Alice Gregory abt 1848 Penalton, Lancashire, England Daughter Killingworth Northumberland View Record Eliza Gregory abt 1859 Benton, Northumberland, England Daughter Killingworth Northumberland View Record Elizabeth Gregory abt 1824 Worsley, Lancashire, England Wife Killingworth Northumberland View Record Elizabeth Ann Gregory abt 1860 Benton, Northumberland, England Daughter Killingworth Northumberland View Record Esther Gregory abt 1854 Horton, Lancashire, England Daughter Killingworth Northumberland View Record James Gregory abt 1828 Punlton, Lancashire, England Head Killingworth Northumberland View Record James Gregory abt 1857 Penalton, Lancashire, England Son Killingworth Northumberland View Record John Gregory abt 1856 Horton, Lancashire, England Son Killingworth Northumberland View Record Joseph Gregory abt 1842 Tallyford, Lancashire, England Brother Killingworth Northumberland View Record Mary Gregory abt 1849 Penalton, Lancashire, England Daughter Killingworth Northumberland I am trying to trace the parents of James and Joseph, cannot find anything on James so thought I'd try Joseph. However, his 'birth place' doesn't seem to exist and I can't find him anywhere else? Any ideas? Thanks, Tom

I have this family in 1861 - they are proving a real problem. View Record Thomas Atelbery abt 1812 Worsley, Lancashire, England Brother-in-law Killingworth Northumberland View Record Alice Gregory abt 1848 Penalton, Lancashire, England Daughter Killingworth Northumberland View Record Eliza Gregory abt 1859 Benton, Northumberland, England Daughter Killingworth Northumberland View Record Elizabeth Gregory abt 1824 Worsley, Lancashire, England Wife Killingworth Northumberland View Record Elizabeth Ann Gregory abt 1860 Benton, Northumberland, England Daughter Killingworth Northumberland View Record Esther Gregory abt 1854 Horton, Lancashire, England Daughter Killingworth Northumberland View Record James Gregory abt 1828 Punlton, Lancashire, England Head Killingworth Northumberland View Record James Gregory abt 1857 Penalton, Lancashire, England Son Killingworth Northumberland View Record John Gregory abt 1856 Horton, Lancashire, England Son Killingworth Northumberland View Record Joseph Gregory abt 1842 Tallyford, Lancashire, England Brother Killingworth Northumberland View Record Mary Gregory abt 1849 Penalton, Lancashire, England Daughter Killingworth Northumberland I am trying to trace the parents of James and Joseph, cannot find anything on James so thought I'd try Joseph. However, his 'birth place' doesn't seem to exist and I can't find him anywhere else? Any ideas? Thanks, Tom

The image shows his birthplace as Lallyford........not that I've heard of that either! I would suggest that 'Penalton' and its variants might well be Pendleton.........the Lancs accent would be a puzzle to a Northumbrian enumerator!! Reg

Hi Tom, Just had a quick look but no luck yet..I will have another look in a while...I'm off to watch BB eviction!!!! Deb P.s You may of noticed I have a brand new name!!!!! LOL I have gone all posh!!!

Nice name - I did notice it, no luck with the Colwood's on Mommy Long Legs thread on Records Board? I thought it might be Lallyford on the image, but by the looks of the T in Thoamas I think it is Tallyford. However, I can find no reference at all to it! Help anyone?

Tom This would be a start........James and Elizabeth's marriage cert would provide you with details about his father Elizabeth Atlebury 1847 Apr-May-Jun Chorlton Lancashire View Record James Gregory 1847 Apr-May-Jun Chorlton Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 96 We'll have to agree to differ about the T and L.................... Reg

Reg, I have the marriage cert... Registration district: Barton upon Irwell Parish of Eccles Parich Church May 3rd 1847 James Gregory (minor) Bachelor Collier Son of James Gregory a Dyer and Elizabeth Atlebury (of full age) Spinster Daughter of James Atlebury a Collier. Both have their residence as Pendleton.

Is there the slightest possibility that it could say Hellifield? This is above Horton on the map, slightly to the right. Update - sorry, just noted the above posting - but Pendleton is MILES from Barton on Irwell! OC

OC, I don't think it is, Hellifield is in Yorkshire (isn't it?!?) and the place I am looking for is in Lancashire

Now I think it could begin with a J. Look at the name Joseph its VERY similar to the enumerators capital T in Thomas. Do we know of anywhere beginning with a J in Lancashire? Snowdrops

There was a Joseph Gregory born Mar Q 1842 at Bolton, is there anywhere in Bolton that sounds like Tallyford?

1871 census Even more misnames View Record Eliza Gregory abt 1859 Northd, West Moon Daughter Horton Northumberland View Record Elizabeth Gregory abt 1824 Woolley, Lancashire, England Wife Horton Northumberland View Record Esther Gregory abt 1854 Denton, Lancashire, England Daughter Horton Northumberland View Record George Edmond Gregory abt 1863 Northd, West Moor Son Horton Northumberland View Record James Gregory abt 1828 Pentington, Lancashire, England Head Horton Northumberland View Record James Gregory abt 1857 Pentington, Lancashire, England Son Horton Northumberland View Record John Gregory abt 1856 Denton, Lancashire, England Son Horton Northumberland View Record Margaret Ellen Gregory abt 1865 Northd, Cowpen Synare Daughter Horton Northumberland View Record William Albert Gregory abt 1867 Northd, Cowpen Synare Son Horton Northumberland

Tom Hellifield is one of those places that didnt know where it was. It is slap bang on the modern border betwwen Lancs and Yorks. However, I now realise that the Horton referred to is NOT the one in Lancs-which-is-near-Hellifield! LOL, sorry. But I still dont understand why two people resident in Pendleton, go miles to marry in Eccles? OC

1851 is this the family in Barton Upon Irwell Elizabeth Gregory abt 1826 Didsbury, Lancashire, England Wife John Gregory abt 1822 Monton, Lancashire, England Head Mary A Gregory abt 1847 Heaton Norris, Lancashire, England James Gregory abt 1849 Monton, Lancashire, England Son Possibly not as wrong name for head of household Maureen

Tom I think you may have two different families here, unlikely as that seems. It would make perfect sense for someone from Monton/Worsley etc to marry in the Parish Church at Eccles, which is on the outskirts of Manchester and also near PENDLEBURY, incidentally. It would make no sense at all for a couple from Pendleton/Worston etc, which is almost in Yorkshire, miles away from Manchester, to marry in Eccles AFTERTHOUGHT - oh, gosh - if the Head of the household had a speech impediment, then Tallyford could be Salford, Worsley could be Walkden...ok, I'm off to bed now!. But to test this - did they marry by Banns or by licence? If by Banns, they MUST have been resident in the Parish. Either the Banns or the licence application would make interesting reading I think. OC

For what its worth, I think Tallyford should be Salford. There is a Pendleton in Salford, as well as a Pendlebury. Pendleton church is the one used in Corrie for the posh weddings & funerals. Dont know when it was built though. At that time it might NOT have been their nearest church? Eccles isn't that far from Pendleton (3/4 miles?). If you can't find them in 1851 its probably because they are in the area that is missing (destroyed) Tom, I have sent you a PM. Would you believe I have just ordered Elizabeth & James's marriage certificate! I should have waited a couple of days! Regards Vicky

Hi, Pendleton IS in Salford. - Pendleton, Eccles, Barton -u-Irwell are all together. - Worsley is 'just down the road' Dea

Well, glad I at least got the Salford bit right! I was looking at the other Pendleton, which is just below Clitheroe. Possibly the head of the household had a speech impediment, which would account for the peculiar rendering of the names. OC

Just got back & managed to check up on a few things. According to Genuki, St Thomas's church in Pendleton would have been operating in 1847. But at that time, Pendleton was still part of the parish of Eccles, so presumably they WERE married in their 'local' parish church. We might think 3/4 miles a long way to go, but I've known families travel much further. They might chose the parish church rather than one on their doorstep, especially if James's family were from Monton (Eccles). (Though I suspect that 1851 family Maureen found is not immediately connected) My connection - I have an Attlebury family living in Hankinson St, Pendleton, in 1849 (address from a birth certificate). Surely there can't be too many Attleburys around Salford? I really really wish someone could magic up this part of the census, it would answer so many questions for us! As an aside, Hankinson St is spitting distance from St Thomas's church.

OC - I don't know about a speech impediment, but the local pronunciation for Walkden is 'Wogdin' (Walkden being just north of Worsley, and a mile or so from where I think Elizabeth was baptised) The old name for Pendleton was Pen Hulton, and I can hear locals still saying Pun'lton - hence the census spelling - an enumerator in Northumberland would obviously not know the 'proper' name for this area.