Genealogy Chat

I am trying to track down my 2xggm. I have been stuck on this line for ages now and its driving me. I have possible info on her but I just need that little bit extra to bring it all together so I can be 100%. Do you think I can be confident that all the info below is my Jane Carpenter? What I do know is….see below

Her maiden name was Jane Carpenter and she gives her place of birth as Bishops Waltham, Hampshire ( info from 1871/1901) 1891 census place of birth is recorded as Shirrels Heath in 1870 she marries Samuel Emo in Alton, Hampshire and gives fathers name as George Carpenter – occupation – Dead Samuel dies in 1879 in 1881 she marries again to a John Gill in Alton, Hampshire but this time states that her father was a coal merchant. Can’t find her in the 1881 census but she would be a widow….two of her children were inmates in the Union School one was staying with her aunt and one is also missing.. I have a possible birth for her which is Jane Carpenter 1849 Apr-May-Jun Droxford Hampshire Details from the cert Id.o.b. 28th March 1849 at Droxford sub-district - Hambledon Father: George Carpenter- Labourer. Mother: Jane Carpenter nee Biddel Which would tie in with this from the 1861 census Elizabeth Carpenter abt 1857 Gosport, Hampshire, England Daughter Alverstoke Hampshire Ellen Carpenter abt 1860 Gosport, Hampshire, England Daughter Alverstoke Hampshire Emily Carpenter abt 1852 Fareham, Hampshire, England Daughter Alverstoke Hampshire George Carpenter abt 1827 Austrey, Hampshire, England Head Alverstoke Hampshire Jane Carpenter abt 1825 Droxford, Hampshire, England Wife Alverstoke Hampshire Jane Carpenter abt 1849 Droxford, Hampshire, England Daughter Alverstoke Hampshire William C Carpenter abt 1851 Droxford, Hampshire, England Son Alverstoke Hampshire And maybe this in the 1851….notice the Biddel….also the image looks like age 2 for jane which would give her the right DOB Mary A Beddle abt 1845 Swanmore, Hampshire, England Daughter-in-law Fareham Hampshire George Carpenter abt 1823 Anestey, Hampshire, England Head Fareham Hampshire Jane Carpenter abt 1825 Shedfield, Hampshire, England Wife Fareham Hampshire Jane Carpenter abt 1842 Swanmore, Hampshire, England Daughter Fareham Hampshire William Carpenter abt 1851 Durley, Hampshire, England Son Fareham Hampshire

Sorry, just read through my post and not sure I made it clear what I was asking for!!!! The info post 1870 is correct but what I want to know is do you think the info pre 1870 is.......Does that make sense?? Deb

It all depends on the choice of birth rference-if the one you picked out for 1849 is her,then yes,the pre 1870 stuff is right......what we need to establish is the accuracy of her birth year and how many candidates there are.

Hi Deb Not ignoring you,just trying to weigh up the options.LOL Bit of a slippery soul isn't she. Glen

Just posting this one so i don't lose it! From the 1881,with nothing recorded for marital status,box left blank. Susannah Brown abt 1860 Kensington, Middlesex, England Visitor St Pancras London >>>>>View Record Jane Carpenter abt 1849 Hampshire, England Servant St Pancras London View Record Mary S. Corbett abt 1856 Bath, Somerset, England Niece St Pancras London View Record Sophia E. Corbett abt 1880 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Great Niece St Pancras London View Record Thomas Corbett abt 1831 St Giles, Middlesex, England Head St Pancras London View Record Wm. T. Corbett abt 1851 Islington, Middlesex, England Nephew St Pancras London Just wondered if she was trying to make some money without the burden of the children?Reverted to maiden name but possible? Glen

That is the nearest birth match I could find....their are a few others but the details didn't quite fit (although they all seem to have a father called George!)....What I want to do is find a definate link between those two janes....At the moment it could all just be coincidence??

Hi Glen, that is one of the possibles I have for 1881....Her father in law died in St Pancras?? Not sure what he was doing there! Deb

For starters Shirrel Heath is 2 miles from Bishop waltham-so thats OK.

Have you got the marriage certs? If so anything that helps with the names of witnesses? Glen

this is a strange coincidence..........Shedfield is basically Shirrel heath>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAMES CARPENTER Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 03 JUN 1849 Shedfield, Hampshire, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: GEORGE CARPENTER Family Mother: JANE

Witnesses at her first marriage were her new hubby's brother and wife Second marriage they were her old hubby's sister and husband..so that doesn't help There is an interesting name on first Hubby's death cert though...The informant was an Emily Bud of Amery Hill. I was thinking she could have been Jane's sister?? I have been looking into that this morning but haven't found anything yet.

this is janes child in alton>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- ELIZABETH JANE EMO Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 27 APR 1873 Alton, Hampshire, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: SAMUEL EMO Family Mother: JANE

Are you trying to tell me my 2xggm was a man!!! LOL Only joking....that is interesting...I'm off to take a look.

For future reference after looking at the village records on IGI there is a definite move of Carpenter activity from Bishop Waltham pre 1840 to Shedfield(basically Shirrel Heath) post 1840.

This really doesn't help with your question but might come in handy at some point The Parish of Shedfield was formed in 1894 from part of the Parish of Droxford. A major local government re-organization took place in 1894-95 owing to the growth in population, and boundaries were changed in every county throughout the whole country. New parishes were created for areas of urban growth where previously a single parish had covered a vast area of agricultural land. Shedfield used to be a tithing of Droxford Parish but was elevated to the status of civil parish by the Local Government Act of 1894. Droxford and Shedfield were in the Bishop's Waltham Hundred, and Shedfield was recorded as early as 1337 in a Court Roll which added the Tithing of Shedfield to Droxford. Agriculture, horticulture and fruit-growing were important local occupations, as was brick-making. Many of the buildings in Shedfield village date from the nineteenth century although a few houses are older. The Parish Church of St. John the Baptist was built in 1875 to replace an earlier structure, of which the buttressed tower still remains. The parish registers date from 1829. Just one of those things that might suddenly be useful one day!! Glen

Thanks Glen I need to log off now for a little while...Be back soon Deb

Just nudging to see if anyone else can offer some advice. Deb

ive just read through the thread again-i think you are worrying too much-the change in place names has been explained and it pulls together in terms of droxford,shirrel heath,shedfield and Bishop Waltham- they are all close by. Droxford and Shed field were in the Bishop waltham Hundred and Shirrel heath is 2 miles away.

OK- prehaps I am worrying too much - but I'm sure it doesent hurt to get a second (or third/fourth) opinion!! I hope you didn't think that I disregarded your input. Thank you very much for helping out and thanks to Glen aswell. Deb