Genealogy Chat

Many thanks everyone. That's the trouble with me Noalls you see, they were mostly fishermen and master mariners, which is a pain when you're trying to track them down. But you would think they could stay in just one day when the enumerator called! lol. Many thanks oc, have been to the Archive Centre a few times but I think they were getting fed up with the sight of me. Am going to try to get down there again soon (even if just to see their faces drop when I walk in :)) They are ever so helpful. And thanks Ego, the Simon you found seemed to be only on the 1841 so they obviously rounded his age up or down, and then got his age right on the rest. Many many thanks everyone for all your time and trouble. Bex

Well there you go .....thats the icing on the cake....jobs a goodun.....thats yer man .....the one originally on British origins recorded as 15 and also on Freecen.....happy days.

Ah, well now - I briefly lived in Fish Street, St Ives. It is literally ten yards from the beach.Digy Sq backs onto Fish St. St Ives men often combined fishing with Joinery (boat building) ag labbing and building - anything to make a penny when the fish didnt come. The Noall's are a huge family in St Ives (sometimes misspelled as Knowle) and are certainly related to one another somewhere along the line. If I can help with anything, I have easy access to St Ives Archive Centre which is jam packed with stuff of a very local nature. OC

Ive just remembered FREECEN........it has had 100% coverage for 1841 for a long time-340,000 people recorded.....it too only came up with the 2 that we have on this thread.It is possible that just the father was away at sea and that the son went into fishing later when his father died or needed help.......joinery was a standard trade that would come in handy for boat repairs etc.

If he was a fisherman in 1851 then maybe he was at sea in 1841. Annoying I know, I have a Norfolk great-great grandfather who is fishing in 1841, working away in 1851 (no idea where!) and then has the cheek to die in 1858. I am wondering if he was fishing or working away on the census, or whether he was a) in prison or b) shacked up with someone else! nell

Lol. No good throwing jokes at me, my brain is too addled tonight :) Will have a look on British Origins. Many thanks for all your help. Bex

1) I was joking 2) It was in British origins site on what is called a petitions list-presumably divorce . British origins has 1841 and 1871 census and is better transcribed.

Oh dear, I wonder what she could have done :/ How did you find that out? :)

Right, I think the 1841 with Catherine, Jane and Mary at Digey Place could be the one... The date for Jane ties in (take a year) with his auntie's birth date. Will check that one. Many many thanks. Another Simon (related as well) married an Elizabeth Jennings. Many many thanks Bex

Think it means he asked all his neighbours to sign a sheet supporting him booting her out the door :~))

British origins is useful sometimes :~)

just for your notes .........in 1821 a simon noall aged 59 petitioned his wife elizabeth.st ives cornwall.

Was hoping he had an unusual occupation but he is a fisherman on 1851 Maureen

This is the household for the entry that 'Ego' found, and I had just found this when I saw 'Ego's' posting: View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Catherine Noal abt 1827 Cornwall, England St Ives Cornwall View Record Jane Noal abt 1791 Cornwall, England St Ives Cornwall View Record Mary Noal abt 1821 Cornwall, England St Ives Cornwall View Record Simon Noal abt 1826 Cornwall, England St Ives Cornwall Remember that age '15' on the 1841 census means 15 to 19, so maybe not too far out. It does look as if there were quite a lot of Noals in the St. Ives area. If you have Simon's marriage certificate then presumably it gives his father's name? (Though maybe not that much help if he is the Simon above as there is no older man in the household! But you could try to find a baptism of a Simon with correct father's name and mother Jane.) Kate.

Lol, while I was typing my little reply had loads of responses. Will just sort the info a minute. Many thanks everyone

Was he a 'joiner'? Did he have a relative Jane? Edward Harry abt 1816 Cornwall, England St Ives Cornwall Simon Harry abt 1821 Cornwall, England St Ives Cornwall Jane Noal abt 1816 Cornwall, England St Ives Cornwall These are living with:- Elizabeth Paynte abt 1826 Cornwall, England St Ives Cornwall Honor Paynte abt 1796 Cornwall, England St Ives Cornwall says Honor is a grocer Simon Joiner Edward Ship Agent

Yep, Fish Street, St Ives, for Simon, it just says Madron, Cornwall for Mary. But he wasn't at Fish Street when the census took place. Have got full census records for his mother, father and brother living at Fish Street and he's not on them. Found his sister, she was off visiting her married 15 year old sister, but no sign of Simon

He lives with Jane Noal seamans wife 50 Mary 20 Simon 15 joiners apprentice catherine 14 remember ages were rounded off 15 and above

1841 TNA Ref HO107-0144 Image No 254 Folio No 5\41 Page No 21 Entry No 6 Location details County CORNWALL Superintendent Registrar's District PENZANCE Registrar's District ST IVES Enumeration District No 3 Parish ST IVES City ST IVES Township Place DIGEY PLACE Household Number 1492 Record details First name SIMON Last name NOAL Title Misc Age 15 Sex M Birth County CORNWALL That is only one of 5 different ones that is close.

1841 any good - my geography is rubbish ? Name: Simon Noell Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Where born: Cornwall, England Civil parish: Phillack Hundred: Penwith County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Source information: HO107/143/13 Registration district: Redruth Sub-registration district: Phillack ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 17 Page: 26 Line number: 23 GSU Number: 241265