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Hi all, I've been busy collecting certificates since I last looked at this problem. I now have them but theys eem to take me nowhere... Help me please!!!!

Help you with what? Please post more details! Sam x

I have the marriage cert of my g-grandmother Mary Jane Brown. She married aged 21 to William Dudley also aged 21 in Foleshill. Her father is given as John Brown Watchmaker. I also have her birth certificate from November 1861 (why do all my ancestors manage to miss the census by a few months!?) - father John Brown - occupation Watch balance maker and mother Elizabeth Brown, formerly Simpson. They were living at Thomas Street Coventry at that time. I know that Elizabeth remarried and she, Mary Jane and Richard Brown are living with William Elliott by 1871 but can't find a death for John between 1861 and 1871. I also can't find a marriage between John Brown and Elizabeth. Any ideas? Mark

Sorry Sam, the phone went! Mark

Have you located John Brown and Elizabeth (nee Simpson) in 1861 census? Jay

Hi Jan, No I haven't been able to locate them in 1861. Mary Jane had a brother Richard Brown born abt 1851 (he was a witness at her wedding) and I can't find him on the 1861 census either. Mark

Hello Mark, Is this Elizabeth and John in 1851? Elizabeth Brown abt 1821 Oldham, Lancashire, England Wife Coventry St Michael Warwickshire John Brown abt 1821 Barcot, Lancashire, England Head Coventry St Michael Warwickshire Sue Update...yes it does look like them...John's occ is watch balance maker

Hello Sue, Yes that looks likely - I knew Eliabeth was from Lancashire, so that looks a good possibility. Thanks Mark

What date & place of birth have you got for Elizabeth in 1871? Jay

and 1861?... Elizabeth Brown abt 1823 Oldham, Lancashire, England Wife Coventry St John Warwickshire Richard Crown abt 1852 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Son Coventry St John Warwickshire John Epwell abt 1837 Lutterworth, Leicestershire, England Lodger Coventry St John Warwickshire Richard has been mistranscribed as Crown, but it does look like Brown on image. No sign of John though... Sue

Thats interesting Sue - looks like John must have gone (or died) before Mary Jane was born at the end of 1861. Mark

could any of these be John's death? Name: John Brown Year of Registration: 1859 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Coventry County: Warwickshire, West Midlands Volume: 6d Page: _48 (click to see others on page) Name: John Brown Year of Registration: 1864 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Coventry County: Warwickshire, West Midlands Volume: 6d Page: 322 (click to see others on page) Sue

Marriages Sep 1850 Manchester 20 478 BROWN John SIMPSON Elizabeth

I don't think it could be 1859 - Mary jane was born November 1861. Can anybody find when William Elliott married Elizabeth - I can't find it. If John and Elizabeth married in 1850 and had Richard (poor soul he has been mistranscribed as Crown, Buron and all sorts in his life!) in 1851, I wonder what they were up to until 1860? Mark

Do you have them on 1871 Mark, living with William Elliott? I can't seem to find them. Is Elizabeth using the Elliott name? Sue

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference BROWN John SIMPSON Elizabeth Manchester Cathedral Manchester CATH/78/130

1871 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Mary J Broner abt 1862 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Stepdaughter Foleshill Warwickshire View Record Richard Buron abt 1851 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Stepson Foleshill Warwickshire View Record Alfred Elliott abt 1858 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Son Foleshill Warwickshire View Record Ann Elliott abt 1852 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Daughter Foleshill Warwickshire View Record Elizabeth Elliott abt 1823 Prescot, Lancashire, England Wife Foleshill Warwickshire View Record William Elliott abt 1825 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Head Foleshill Warwickshire View Record William Elliott abt 1856 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Son Foleshill Warwickshire

Yes thats them - took me ages to find with Brown being mis-transcribed twice! I've just ordered the 1850 marriage cert, but still can't find Elizabeth marrying William Elliott. Mark

found this marriage Marriages Mar 1864 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brown Elizabeth Coventry 6d 467 Elliott William Coventry 6d 467

How did you find that Marie? Mark