Genealogy Chat

Hi Bob

Yes Japeth lived near his parents but was later sponsored by Abraham to travel to Australia.

Yes that is my William warner and Mary Fry.

I will contact you via e mail about the remainder of the post as I have received your e mails now thank you.

Have sent you a PM Bob.

Morning Ann....probably evening there !!

Sorry to have confused you! I have all the children you have shown above. The only difference is that the John born December 04, 1785 I record as Jonathan.

Japeth is the older brother to Christina which is Shelley's direct line. I have found Japeth living next or close to his parents ( John Warner + Anne/Hannah Hatree ) in a couple of the census years.

Is this your Warner + Fry: . William WARNER. Born in 1748 in North Petherton, Somerset. William was baptized in North Petherton, Somerset on 11 Nov 1748.

On 28 Feb 1768 when William was 20, he married Mary FRY, in North Petherton, Somerset. Born in 1749. Mary died in North Petherton, Somerset on 24 Nov 1833, she was 84.

I think you have my email. If you will contact me there I will provide you with the email for the fellow who has completed the North Petherton transcriptions...he will send that 85 page MSN Word document to you direct to review. I will also send you my Warner Booklet and invite to see what I have in Ancestry so far.

( some folks are reluctant to provide an outside email....if you have any concerns I suggest you set up a [ temporary ? ] account with hotmail, yahoo or gmail to use for genealogy only ... several members of my local genealogy group have done this with success )

Lets hope we can sort this out as it will impact on my work as well !!

Regards.....Bob on Vancouver Island

Hi Bob,
I am more confused than ever now. I have always thought that Hannah was the daughter of William Jennings and Mary (Winn/Wynne) but have not been able to find proof. do you have official documented proof of this please.
That is OK so far I have no problem with that, and I agree she died in 1853. ( In the 1841 she is living with her daughter Hannah Webber and her husband William) and in the 1851 she was living with my Gt Grandfather Robert.)

I also agree John Warner (cordwainer/shoemaker) married Anne Hatree & John Warner (mine, labourer) married Hannah Jennings both in 1809.

My John Warner was born in 1778 according to his death cert. He died in 1838 aged 60 informant Hannah Warner widow.

However, you have posed another mystery now . From documented evidence sent to me by Bob Dyer in Australia( whose wife is a descendant of John who married Anne Hatree through son Japeth and Joanna.) My John Warner's parents were William Warner and Mary Fry. Can you tell me please what evidence you have that my John was the son of Jonathan and Honor?

Again, thank you for getting in touch. I look forward to hearing from you when you have finished your other projects.


You might find these interesting if you don't already have them:
From Parish records looked at at Somerset Record Office

3 Oct 1784 John son of Jonathan Warner and Honor
4 December 1785 John son of Jonathan Warner and Honor
16 March 1788 James son of Jonathan Warner and Honor
5 January 1791 Mary daughter of Jonathan Warner and Mary
23 May 1796 Jane daughter of Jonathan Warner and Honor

I also have as children of Jonathan and Honor from Bob Dyer:
Thomas 1792 died 1836, John (Jonathan) 1798, Elizabeth 6 April 1800

Ann: Is this your John Warner? His parents were Jonathon Warner and Honor Warner.

John WARNER. Born in 1784 in North Petherton, Somerset. John was baptized in North Petherton, Somerset on 3 Oct 1784.

On 26 Jun 1809 when John was 25, he married Hannah JENNINGS, daughter of William JENNINGS & Mary WINN, in North Petherton, Somerset. Born in 1783 in North Petherton, Somerset. Hannah died in Outwood, Lying, Somerset on 7 Dec 1853, she was 70.

Jonathon & Honor's other son Jonathon, b/1785, is my wife's direct line.

Regards.....Bob on Vancouver Island.

Hello Ann and glad to see you are still here. I was aware of the 2 John Warners & this still confuses me .... but the Hatree seems to fit better ( at least for now !! ).

I have some transcriptions for North Petherton and I have the Warner name starting around 1565....I will need to review to see if I can find more on the Warner - Jennings.

I will be updating my GR and Ancestry trees over the next couple of weeks and you can check to see the connection. So far I have two sistuations where a Warner married a Warner !!

I have some other projects for a couple of days...I should be able to get back here on Monday or Tuesday.

Regards....Bob on Vancouver Island.

That is interesting Kay, hadn't thought of looking close to the marriage. will have to have another look. to be honest she is in my mind as a wall of breeze blocks not brick Lol!! Two of us spent ages on it about 4 years ago and kept hitting brick walls. The family goes back to 15...(something can't quite remember without looking up) but she is a block in the middle!!

I have seen in PR a bapt for a partner bapt just days before they get married, if they wasnt from parish and not listed in the book as been done.....also the parson needed to bump up his income...

Thanks Bob and thanks Rose.

Rob there were two John Warners, both the same age, one married Anne Hatree, one ( my ancestor) married Hannah Jennings) And after all this time I amj no further forward with locating Hannah's birth. I know a good bit about the other John and Anne Hatree from his descendant who lives in Australia.

Thank you for your interest in this. I see this is your wifes line so we are related further back in the tree. Do you have the line back to the 16th century?

I have copied your e mail now, please remove it though for your own sake.

Ann
in Glos

Robert, best to remove your email as anyone can use it...Ann is still here and I will email her and let her know you have added :)

Hello Ann....your posts from 2006 are over 4 years old and I hope you are still in the system ! I think John Warner b/1773 North Curry married Anne (Hannah) Hatree b/1788 North Petherton on February 06, 1809 at North Petherton. Anne ( Hannah ) Hatree is the daughter of John Hatree and Jane Musgrave.

In 1861 census John and Hannah are living with their son John who is a widower, and 2 of his 3 children. A brother to John jr., Japheth, is living two doors away.

Hope you get this message.....this is my wife's line. I have a Warner booklet that I have prepared that I am happy to share with you.

Regards.....Bob on Vancouver Island.

I have looked at this and now think that Ozziebird is right. My Gtx3 Grandmother was Hanna/Hannah/Anne hatree or Musgrave. That has solved one problem with another teaser. Looking at it, I can't find a Hatree/Musgrave marriage, Jane was Musgrave when she married John Reading in1793, therefore I think Hannah or whatever she called herself was illigitimate and the father was John Hatree. But I need to look into that. nothing on FHonline unfortunately. (sigh!) Anyway, you were all great getting my brain working latterally. I slept well last night! Ann Glos

Do you know, I have seen that Hatree entry and wondered about it. But it has been and is the Hannah that has kept us going along that line as she always seemed to use Hannah. I had not lookd at Jane Reading unntil yesterday but it does seem to point more in that direction now doesn't it. thank you for the info re her mother Jane. Something else to 'hurt' my brain today. Again, thanks a lot. Ann Glos

Ann/Hannah could be correct if she was baptised later on rather than as a baby Zoe

Thinking about it Hannah can't be Ann reading because the ages would not match in the censuses and she would only have been 10/11 when hannah got married. Ann Glos

thank you all, a lot to think about ther. just popped in while getting the dinner ready. On the parish register on Fhistoryonline it doesn't give her status, well it says status -of - for both of them, don't know what that means. yvonne thank you for the Reading census, that is useful, will look more deeply into it. Maybe I need to check if a Ann Reading married a somebody Jennings. Be back later, Ann Glos

Hello Ann, I don't know if this is of any use to you, but on Familysearch there is an Ann Reading christened on 4th August 1799, her parents were John and Jane Reading. The christening was in North Petherton, Somerset. John and Jane appear to have had quite a few children baptised there in the 1790s and 1800s. Ann and Hannah being interchangeable so to speak this could be your Hannah before she became a Jennings - I know the baptism is much later than you would expect, but children were not always baptised as infants. This might explain the Jane Reading on the 1841 census. Best wishes, Yvonne

May I ask if you have you checked the marriage entry of Hannah and John for marital status? When I first began my family history, I spent a long time searching for the origins of Mary Oman, to no avail. A couple of years later I managed to get to the appropriate record office and low and behold, Mary Oman was actually a young widow when she married my ancestor! Within about 10 minutes, I found death of her husband, bp of postumous child, first marriage, Mary's maiden name and baptism and all her siblings. I have several instances of young widows remarrying, so it is always to the forefront of my mind. Jay

see, thank you Nell, food for thought there. i had not thought about Jennings maybe being a married name! so if she was not registered we will never find a link to her parents. It was North petherton parish records. Ann Glos If I don't come back for an hour I am off getting dinner, not ignoring anyone. Ann

Or she may have been married previously and Jennings is her first husband;s surname.