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I just came across this thread. Regarding the will of Joseph Stinson, I have found an Ann Cooper, (dau of William Cooper and Sarah Dent) who married Thomas Ayre. She also had a brother William Cooper, and a sister Mary Cooper who married William Page. I wonder if William Sr and Sarah might have died, and Joseph Stinson Looked after these children. I do see a burial of a William Cooper in 1803 but in Syston, not Coleorton.
I wonder if anyone can access Leicestershire wills to look for a William Cooper will.
Also, I seem to have evidence of all of Joseph Stinson's children, except for William and Joseph. What are the chances that the fact that they are named first and second in list of children in the will means that they are the two oldest?

Tom Tom,
I see your interested Stinsons/Stensons of Coleorton, are you aware of William Stenson (1773-1861) born in Coleorton he was mining engineer and collaborator with Robert Stephenson and is generally recognised as the founder of Coalville in Leicestershire and its associated mining industry?
Terry Ward

lol Pippa, its about 100 miles there and the same back! *rushes of to GNER website* nite all!

Sorry Tom I think it's a trip to Leicester records office. Now while you are there can you look up all my family tree for me?

Thank you everyone for all your help! Now down to the hard work...lol.

http://www.geocities(.)com/oliveshark53/pub.htm Sorry!

http://www.geocities.com/oliveshark53/pub.htm Don't forget the reference to Thomas Kidger in the will.

hello Pippa, is there a website you found that info about Thomas Kidger Ayre from? It could prove useful for future reference.... I have Catherine Ayre, marrying Mr Kidger so maybe some link there!

Landlords of the Rose and Crown in Thringstone have included: Thomas Kidger Ayre (1846/1854);

1842 Landshape Zone Leicestershire and Derbyshire Coalfield Parish Coleorton Location Coleorton, Leicestershire, Event Start Date 1840 Event End Date 1850 Location of Original Leicestershire Record Office. Reference Ti/76/1 Detailed Description Tithe map and award for the parish which divides Church Township and Farm Township lands. The estimated land subject to tithe was 414 acres, 24 perches of arable and 535 acres, 1 rood and 5 perches of meadow and pasture, 31 acres, 2 perches and 31 roods of woodland. The map shows plots of land which could now be part of a National Forest Tender Scheme called West Farm Wood. These plots are described as 'Upper Yard (approx. 2 acres of pasture), 'Old House Yard' (approx. 1 acre of pasture), occupied by Thomas Ayre and 'Croft's Leys Gate (approx. 6 acres of pasture), 'Cow Pasture' (approx. 16 acres of pasture) 'Butcher's Close' (approx. 7 acres of pasture) and 'Birchin's Close' (approx. 5 acres of pasture) occupied by Robert Wright Faux. All these lands were owned by Beaumont Sir George Howland Willoughby Baronet. He was the main landowner in Coleorton, owning and occupying Coleorton Hall at this time. The land near the Hall is described as 'pleasure gardens' in the award. The only other landowners at this time were The Coleorton Railway Company (4 acres approx.) Sherwin William (20 acres approx.) and the Coleorton School Trustees (1 acre approx.) and the Reverend (7 acres). Rough Park is also shown. The largest portions are called Rough park Willow Grove and Oaks and described as 76 acres of arable land and Spring Wood and pond, 78 acres of arable. The map also shows several wetlands and roads which can be compared with today's roads.

just had a thought and a rummage... was in touch with another researcher who gave me this will. He seemed to think that Joseph had married twice, once to a widow. (think this is probably second marriage) to Ann or Sarah Dent. who had daughter Ann, married Thomas Ayre, Mary, married Thomas Page and a son William, so that would make them all step children (in law) and also make Thomas Ayre a son in law (step). So, I need to go and find Joseph's first marriage - childrens baptisms, first wifes death, second marriage, second wifes first marriage, children and husbands death and I might be halfway there to solving it. (all needs checking v carefully though)

Depends how much she got around? Seriously I see what you mean. Do you know how many wives he had?

Pippa - the first will is the will I have. The Thomas Stinson will from the other day, is the son of the man in this will (I think). but, if they are step children, why do they all have different surnames? and it wouldn't have been legal for stepbrother and sister to marry would it?

names don't mean anything. but they DO have a connection with the Ayre family. Thomas Stinson married Ann Ayre in 1808.

From: Blanche Charles <[email protected]> Subject: for STENSON / STINSON researchers Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:12:22 +1300 References: <[email protected]> Hello List First of all, this marriage in Foremark (near Ticknall), Sth Derbyshire: 12 Jun 1703: Thomas STENSON m Sarah TAVERNER (sorry there were no additional details: presumably 'both of this parish') ---------------- Secondly, information from the following wills, copies of which have been transcribed and are found on LDS Film #194497: 1. Will of Joseph STENSON, hatmaker, of Coleorton mentions: friend Thomas KIDGER, now of Washington 'my dear wife' Sons: William, Joseph, Thomas, John, Robert, Richard Daughter: Elizabeth GADSBY Son in Law: William COOPER Daus in Law: Mary PAGE, Ann AYRE (I interpret the above son & daus 'in law' as being step-children from his wife's first marriage ...? The above children & step-children were each bequeathed £100 [GBP 100], as well as property to his own children) Also: Sons-in-law Thomas AYRE, farmer & John GADSBY, builder - both of Coleorton Executors: Thos KIDGER, Thos AYRE, Thos GADSBY Will dated 11 April 1816 Witnesses: Leo PIDDOCK, Thos STINSON *, Fra's POTTER Proved 27 Feb 1817 *Could Thos STINSON be his brother, victualler of Coleorton, whose will (1833 / 1834) I mentioned last week - also mentions Thos KIDGER...? ------ 2. Will of Joseph STINSON, tallow chandler, of Whitwick mentions: Wife: Margaret Sons: Joseph, William, Thomas, John Daus: Mary, w/o John BURGESS, farmer, of Whitwick; late dau Elizabeth, late w/o Joseph SKETCHLEY, carpenter, of Anstey Executors: Sons-in-law John BURGESS & Joseph SKETCHLEY Will dated 8 Aug 1817 Witnesses: Thos BURBRIDGE, John LAMBERT & illegible Proved 21 Aug 1818, sworn under £450 (ie GBP 450) ----- 3. Will of John STENSON, framework knitter (I think - hard to decipher), of Kegworth mentions: Wife Elizabeth - beneficiary & sole executrix Will dated 27 May 1805 Witnesses: Richard GILBERT / JELBEART (? - hard to read), Wm WOOTTON, Josiah MADDOCK Proved 6 Dec 1821, sworn under £100 (GBP 100) ----- 4. Will of Thomas STINSON, victualler (?), of Thringstone mentions: John POTTER of Thringstone, grocer (trustee?) 'my dear wife' Sarah Dau: Amy (?) w/o Wm BALL, auctioneer of Loughborough Dau: Ruth, w/o James WARDLE, framework knitter of Worthington Sole executor: John POTTER Will dated 6 Dec 1821 Witnesses: John DAWKINS, John ROBERTS, Samuel BRADLEY Proved 27 May 1822 ------- The above wills 1, 2 & 4 give details of quite a lot of property, so it will be worth your while to order the film from the LDS & get copies. However, I hope that this much helps. Kind regards Blanche Charles Wellington New Zealand Is this your source?

HENRY PALMER STINSON of Brightside or Wicker, Sheffield. - Sheffield Does HENRY PALMER STINSON or his wife HARRIET ANN HAYWOOD appear in your family tree? Henry was living in Brightside, Sheffield, Yorkshire in March 1869. He put this as his place of residence when he married Harriet Ann Haywood at Lichfield, Staffordshire. Harriets place of residence was put as St. Mary's Parish, Lichfield. Henry was aged 25, Harriet 19 years old. Their witnesses were Charles Haywood and Sarah Salt. Henry's father was William Stinson, occupation gas fitter, though the registrar had crossed out hosier. Harriet's father was Charles Haywood a basket maker. Trying to find the connection between my Stinson family and Henrys. When my Great Grandfather Joseph Stinson married Eliza Higgs in September 1869 in Sheffield they bothput Stanley Street, Sheffield as their place of residence. (I think this was in the Wicker district) This is were I found Henry Palmer Stinsons address in a directory of 1870/1. He was a wood turner. The Stinson family could have a connection with anEyre/Ayre family from Coleorton, Leicestershire. I cannot find Henry and Harriet on the 1881 census for the UK. Did they emigrate, die or get missed of the census? From curious fox any relation?

It was given to his wife. Janet, it was written 11/04/1816. proved 27/02/1817.

Tom, 1816 - is this the date it was written, proved, or both? I have some with a 10 year gap between writing and proving, and in that time span some beneficiaries have died or had a change of circumstance. Jay

Tom, I have a will from 1815, but it is a widow's will, not a mans. However, when she mentions her married daughts it is as: my daughter Jane, now the wife of Richard Derry; my daughter, Elizabeth, now the wife of William Ariel; my daughte Mary Fenton, now a widow. etc. etc. I also have her son-in-laws from 1836 and it is similar. Don't know if that helps.