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I have my great great grandfathers marriage certificate in birmingham, it says his father is Edward and he is a commercial traveller but i can not find a birth certificate at all.. there are many John Edward Parrys but not birthdays July which we know it was.. ( death cert makes him 1878) I can find two edwards with Johns in the census to give some ideas on areas, great broughton and wales, I need the birth certiciate to get the mother to move forward but how do i know which to go for ANY HELP PLEASE LOOK UPS TO CONFIRM GREATLY RECIEVED dont suppose anyone knows how to find fathers without sending for certificates???? HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP im so frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sharon

I have had PARRY trouble, too ! Did you know that there is a one name study for this name? Maybe the researcher can help narrow your search. This site may be of interest. Remove * http://homepage.ntlworld.*com/im.griffiths/parryfamilyhistory/parryons.htm Gwyn

Sharon, What year did he marry and how old was he? What about witnesses? Rose

Sharon what was your Great Great Grandfather's name & was it him who was born in 1878 or his father? The only Edward Parry who is a commercial traveller on the 1881 census is this one... Name: Edward Parry Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Broughton, Denbighshire, Wales Civil Parish: Everton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 10 Stanfield Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: Subscribe now to see this information. Occupation: Commercial Traveller Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Everton ED, institution, or vessel: 57 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edith M. Parry 5 Edward Parry 40 James E. Parry 10 Maria E. Parry 8 Mary Parry 38 William S. Parry 13 Georgina.

There's also this one: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Edward PARRY Head M Male 32 Bangor, Wales Draper's Coml Travr Mary PARRY Wife M Female 31 Llanwydelan, Montgomery, Wales John E. PARRY Son Male 3 L'pool David O. PARRY Son Male 1 Chester Source Information: Dwelling 53 Tarvin Rd Census Place Great Boughton, Cheshire, England which could be this birth: Births Dec 1878 Parry John Edward W. Derby 8b 272 but this doesn't fit in with your July birthday. Rose

still looking for this PARRY ANY IDEAS??


ANYONE?


THANKS

When did he marry and who was his wife?

Rose

Did you buy this cert?

Births Dec 1878
Parry John Edward W. Derby 8b 272

Rose

yes think this was the one i sent for
but they didnot send it because his father was not edward

john edward parry (should be 18/7/1878) married sarah mallen c1872

17/4/1915 at birmingham reg office

john henry parry their son was born 1906 birmingham in the same address the two getting married lived at


i think he was married before thats why they did not marry till 1915

I did find another John in the birmingham area married to someone else in 1901 census but could find no death for that name or other trace before 1915 when they got married
i also have son's POSSIBLY david and owen and sister diane who died in very very young ( looked for no trace)


thanks for any help

sharon

DO YOU THINK THE TWO FAMILIES BELOW ARE LINKED?

SHARON

COULD THESE TWO BE THE SAME FAMILY??:

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Edward PARRY Head M Male 32 Bangor, Wales Draper's Coml Travr
Mary PARRY Wife M Female 31 Llanwydelan, Montgomery, Wales
John E. PARRY Son Male 3 L'pool
David O. PARRY Son Male 1 Chester

Source Information:
Dwelling 53 Tarvin Rd
Census Place Great Boughton, Cheshire, England

which could be this birth:

Births Dec 1878
Parry John Edward W. Derby 8b 272

but this doesn't fit in with your July birthday


COULD IT BE TRAVELLING THEY REGISTERED LATE.. I HAVE ONE OTHER RELATION BORN IN 1916 ( BEFORE MOTHER MARRIED THE FATHER 1N 1917) WHO WAS REGISTERED IN 1925






The only Edward Parry who is a commercial traveller on the 1881 census is this one...

Name: Edward Parry
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Broughton, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 10 Stanfield Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: Subscribe now to see this information.
Occupation: Commercial Traveller

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 57
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Edith M. Parry 5
Edward Parry 40
James E. Parry 10
Maria E. Parry 8
Mary Parry 38
William S. Parry 13

I think he might need to wait for the 1911 census. Then you will know where he was born.

Rose

You don't need to include the father's name when you order the birth cert. If something doesn't quite match they won't send the cert. Same with marriage certs. Only specify one name.

You still haven't listed his age and the witnesses from the marriage cert.

Rose

He may not have known his father's name so the name he put on the marriage certificate for dad could have been the name that dad was called by his friends. Perhaps dad's friends/family called him Ted or Edward as that was the name he preferred to be known by. His real name could have been anything - with possibly Edward as a middle name.

I've got one like that - he alternates between George Henry and Henry George - bliddy nuisance really.

Jill

ROSE - ITS WITH MY MOTHER IN LAW - who lost the whole book i did for her for her and father in law christmas pressy two years ago - not being toooooooooo experiences i didnt log witness's early on.. bit of a mistake i know now,as they often actually give you other members of the family you are looking for grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will have another go to see if she can find them,





JILL - DID THINK THAT COULD HAVE DIFFERENT NAME

OR WANTED TO GET LOST IN THE CROWD, if a naughty boy,

as i dont know where he was born it doesnt help

if i could deffinately work out who he was in 1901 itmight help



he was a Merhants Clerk in 1906
and engineers timekeeper and storekeeper in 1915




Appology said his son born 1909 it was 1906 and they married 1915
His mother on his birth certificate 1906 put MRS SARAH PARRY nee Mallen



thanks for your help

sharon

oh and re birth certificate think i sent for about 5 in a 3year period so put edward to see which i got... NONE matched

Was searching for John Parry's who were clerks in 1901 and came across this one:


1901 England Census
Name: Mary Parry
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Montgomeryshire, Newtown
Civil Parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
John Parry 23 Manufacturers Clerk b Newtown.
Mary Parry 47 Widow
Owen Parry 21 Liverpool

Wondering is this is the family I found in 1881.

Rose

it could very well be as the family came from handsworth as they grew up

John Henry was born at Newcombe Road, Handsworth, Birmingham

have you got the number of the census sheet so i may keep it

THANK YOU SO MUCH..


we would like to try and find john edwards father too as it is said he was killed by a train in snow hill station in birmingham

only hear say at the moment and john edward was suppose to go to boarding school but was pulled from it aged about 14 as his father had been killed

but you know how these stories go!!!



but i think this is definately the family with owen

so where did they all go in the other census's???

1891
Name: Owen Parry
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Chester

Civil Parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edith Parry 15 Birmingham
Mary Parry 36 wid Newtown
Owen Parry 11 Chester

Beth :)