Genealogy Chat

Yes it is 'food for thought' I would love to do this sort of stuff. I actually traced my Adopted HalfBrother found his address and phone number and everything, it is like a puzzle that you have to piece together bit by bit. My Local Authority Adoption Team have asked me for 'pointers'!!! Authorative figures asking me for help?!!! Stella X

Boozy old fart, come back in a better mood noticed today the pub is now called the jolly anker ( no not anchor) stupid name!!

Kath, the info would not be the same as if you looked yourself, because you would go on to view the image and take in all the info this supplied, off out now still think if i had paid a researcher for reams of pages pasted straight from Ancestry i would not be best pleased, amature site for amatures. Jess your welcome off down the pub and people will say a lot worse there

I know Gary, Feel perfectly happy calling him a grumpy old fart...and would be very suprised if it didnt make him smile

Gary, We'll have to agree to disagree. I personally think copy and pasted information is better in look-ups, because that way people get the same information as they would get if they did the look-up themselves, without the risk of typing errors which could make a great difference to the information given if typed out. We seem to have hijacked this thread, so I think it better that we just admit that we will never see eye to eye. Kath. x

What I find amazing is the fact that Chris, who posted this thread origianlly and innocently hasn't been seen since! Poor bloke, no wonder he daren't come back to it! Perhaps it's time to call a halt on the thread, we all have different opinions...how about agreeing to disagree?

in am not winding anybody up, this is a real pet hate of mine, if you are going to the trouble of helping people why not do it properly, why take take the lazy way, or is it just to prove you can get the answer first, i just do not thing the pasted answers look very good, and as for other websites not nowing the terms properly, i dought this very much, why do Ancestry not allow you to do it on their own message boards?,

Gary, Yes, I did copy and paste the reply to a request on records and did then add birthplaces afterwards when asked. However the copy and paste did answer the first query. If birthplaces for everyone on the image had been asked for in the first place, I would have added this in my first reply, but they weren't. I think Sylvia is right about you. Sorry. As for why other sites don't let you c & p, perhaps their employees don't understand the terms and conditions either. Kath. x

Kath you can only share a limited number of images, as a lossed leader/sales tool, once you have sent out a number of them Ancestry ask the recipient to take out a sub

we dont do it next door, Gary. Oh and stop being a grumpy old fart! Jess xxxxxxxx

Sylvia, I agree with you. I have a distant relative (contacted through GR) who is a professional genealogist, and he uses Ancestry (copying data for a specific client) which does not infringe any terms and conditions. I fully intend to carry on copying and pasting. Ancestry also let you 'Share' census images. There is a button on screen for you to do this. Kath. x

sylvia again why is this the only site that allows you to do this if its o.k., and as for my example, the first portion that i showed, from head, down etc, was done as i always do, typed out on word, not copied from ancestry, deleted and added to, the second part of the example was pasted straight from Ancestry as an example of what i think is a rubbish way to display the info legel or not, i have just seen Kath do a copied and paste answer on records and the person then had to ask for birth places for the others on the page, which if you took the time and typed it out it would be more informative, than just pasting from a website which i still maintain is illegal

Gary I c&p'd this from Kathleen's posting above, and added my emphasis:- Limited Use LICENCE You are licensed to use the Content only for PERSONAL or PROFESSIONAL family history research, and may download Content only as search results relevant to that research. The download of the WHOLE or MATERIAL parts of any work or database is prohibited. RESALE of a work or database or portion thereof, except as specific results relevant to specific research for an individual, is prohibited. As I read that ...... either you doing your own reseach or a professional paid researcher doing it for you can download search results relevant to a particular reseach. Downloading large parts of the database is not on. Resale of a work or database in entirety is prohibited but NOT the resale of relevant portions ....... otherwise professional researchers would not be allowed to charge. THUS ....... I believe there is nothing in there that means it is against the rules when we c&p on here to help other people. I also note that you add information to your c&p ...... I often do exactly the same thing that you do, adding birth years, where born and occupation/relationship to what I have c&p'd. However, I do NOT see that as being so very different from what other people are doing ..... and think that you are just on a wind-up of people! We are all c&p'ing no matter what you say!

I do clearly remember that another member was banned from a commercial site - not ancestry - because she was doing look-ups which were unrelated to her own family and that site tracked user's movements. OC

Presumably if a large commercial organisation like Ancestry took exception to the appearance of its material on another large commerial site like GR, it would bring some pressure to bear on the latter to police its forums or face a claim for damages. As long as the lovely money keeps ringing in the till, I doubt that GR care either way what any of us think.

i think you are reading it to suit yourself, yes you maybe able to copy out the data in your own style and use it, but i still do not think it is legal to lift the info straight from the page and paste it into another website, especially a commercial one such as this. from roots chat and i think this applies to all websites. Transcriptions and Lookups can be provided freely on RootsChat, as long as Crown Copyright is acknowledged, and that you have transcribed the information accurately. Please note that somebody else's transcription is their own work, which you cannot copy unless they have given their permission. If a moderator spots any tell-tale wording like 'Click for more information' or 'Page 1 of 2' then naturally we can only assume that the transcription is not your own work, and such posts should be reported so that they can be deleted. You MUST however ensure that by posting transcriptions that you personally do not break any licence agreements, or terms of use set by others.

Sorry, still think you are not reading the terms correctly. It says you can use data relating to A family (not YOUR family). If someone was to copy the details of a whole street of families, maybe this would be in breach of the terms and conditions, but one family at a time (not necessarily your own) breaches nothing. By the way, my son is not a copper - he works for the police authority. UPDATE - I note you don't mind copying and pasting in order to give an example!!!!! Kath. x

and i still say this is far better 1901 census. Piece 3207. 17 Oxford Street, Boulton, Derbyshire, Schedule 101. Head: John Holmes, 44, Lamp Lighter, Derbyshire, Alvaston, married. Wife: Fanny Holmes, 41, Derbyshire, Alvaston, married. Son: John J Holmes, 18, Iron Turners Apprentice, Derbyshire, Alvaston, single. Daughter: Clara E Holmes, 14, Derbyshire, Alvaston. Daughter: Florence Holmes, 11, Derbyshire, Alvaston. Son: Charles K Holmes, 10, Derbyshire, Alvaston. Son: William G Holmes, 8, Derbyshire, Alvaston. Son: James H Holmes, 4, Derbyshire, Alvaston. Daughter: Fanny Holmes, 3, Derbyshire, Alvaston. Son: Percy Colenso Holmes, 1, Derbyshire, Alvaston. than this Name: John Holmes Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Fanny Gender: Male Where born: Alvaston, Derbyshire, England Civil parish: Boulton Ecclesiastical parish: Boulton St Mary the Virgin Town: Boulton County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Shardlow Sub-registration district: Shardlow ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 101 Household Members: Name Age Charles K Holmes 10 Clara E Holmes 14 Fanny Holmes 41 Fanny Holmes 3 Florence Holmes 11 James H Holmes 4 John Holmes 44 John T Holmes 18 Percy Colenso Holmes 1 William E Holmes 8 View Original Record View original image

I think as with anything, the realms of the copyright are open to interpretation. It seems to me that different people interpret them in different ways.

I don't think that publication to a public forum such as this can possibly constitute 'unique data elements that are part of a unique family history or genealogy' and so break the terms of the T&C.