Genealogy Chat

Hi Andrea You have confused me now lol!!!!! Not sure whether to invest in getting a copy of Mary Atkins birth you found, it certainly looks possibly. I think I am going to print all these replies off and study them, and then make my next move. Thank for your help. Will keep you posted Cheryl x

Hi David. Frustating is an under statement !!!!!! It doesn't help when you've got no one to asks. Will purchase certificates and then let everyone know. Thanks for your help Cheryl x

Hi Heather Thanks for all your advice. I think your right, I'm now more convinced that Edwin was Sarah's second husband. Because I'm sure the one you have found on 1881 is my Edwin. So I'm going to get a copy of Roberts birth Certificate and a copy of the marriage you found in 1891. Will get back to you when I have received them and let you know the outcome. Knowing my luck their probably have no connection to my Gran at all. Thanks again I really appreciated your help .I think sometimes when someone else looks at your Brickwall they have a whole new way of looking it and the bricks start tumbling!!!! Will keep you posted Cheryl x

Hi Reggie I'm going to take your Advice and order Roberts Certificate.Plus the marriage certificate that Heather found for 1891 and see what they say. Then I will see if the Sarah and Lily you found are mine. Thanks for your help . Much appreciated. Cheryl x

You need to buy some certs or we could be speculating over who mum is for ever.

Just to confuse matters still further 1872 marriages Edward Atkins 1872 Jul-Aug-Sep Tamworth Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire Eliza Lycett 1872 Jul-Aug-Sep Tamworth Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire Sarah Rendall 1872 Jul-Aug-Sep Tamworth Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire James Henry Staff 1872 Jul-Aug-Sep Tamworth according to the Staffs BMD site Sarah is actually Kendall 1871 Tamworth Name: Sarah Kendall Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Female Where born: Tamworth, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Tamworth Ecclesiastical parish: Tamworth Town: Tamworth County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Tamworth Sub-registration district: Tamworth ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Kendall 17 sewing machinist John Kendall 1 month Joseph Kendall 58 ag lab Maria Kendall 11 Robert Kendall 6 Sarah Kendall 49 Sarah Kendall 22 sewing machinist Daniel Malcom 23 visitor Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2910; Folio: 33; Page: 8; GSU roll: 836403. (Daniel Malcom has become Malcolm Dan by 1881 and is married to Hannah) Two births Lilian Atkins Year of Registration: 1877 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun DISTRICT: Tamworth County: Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire Volume: 6b Page: 451 Name: Mary Atkins Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun DISTRICT: Tamworth County: Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire Volume: 6b Page: 453 If Sarah was on the point of having Mary or had just had her it would explain why she wasn't with Edwin. It could be that the family he was with didn't realise he was married.

Speculating.........based on Lily b. Tamworth and mother Sarah. Name: Sarah Beals Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Alfred Gender: Female Where born: Tamworth, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: 12 Lotus St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Registration district: Nottingham Sub-registration district: St Ann ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alfred Beals 25 John Beals 13 mths Lilly Beals 5 Matilda Beals under 1 month Sarah Beals 23 Can't see this family in 1891......... This could be connected......... Name: Matilda Beale Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 0 DISTRICT: Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 163 Reg

Do you not have Marys birth cert? That should give mums fullname and also her previous married name.

Looks like a second marriage for Sarah and thats why he is alone in 1881. Id look at that marriage in Notts area for Edwin in early 1881 - money on it!

Hi Heather You could be on to something!!!!!!! I was wondering if it was a second marriage for Sarah, especially as on the 1891 census there is a ST written by Lily's name where the occupation should be. I haven't got a marriage certificate no,I'm not convinced they were ever married. So if your right what I need is to now find a Sarah born Tamworth with daughter called Lily born 1876 in Tamworth and Mary born Notts 1881.You watch I bet Mary was born after the 1881 Census was taken. Thanks Cheryl x

Looks like the birth for the youngest on 1891 census Name: Robert Atkins Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun DISTRICT: Basford County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 203 Reg

Hi Pam Thanks for trying Cheryl x

Hi Liz Not sure, as Edwin was always stated as a Coal Miner. Tracing him prior to his marriage has been a problem as he seems to have been adopted at an early age and his name changed. The only thing my Dad has told me was that his mother Mary had a brother who got killed in a Coal Mining Distaster, and my Dad was called after him. My Dad was called William Henry Foden. But I can't find a Mary with a brother of William or Henry. I'm sure I have the right family in 1901. Someone found me two marriages for Edwin Atkins and a Sarah. First one was in 1861 when he married Sarah Heard. But I can't find a Sarah Heard prior to the marriage stated as a Tailoress. The other is to a Sarah Flint in 1870. but again no trace of her prior to her marriage in 1870. I've found two births for a Robert Atkins in 1890 in Notts, I am just wondering if I send for those certifcates it might help. But knowing my luck they won't be the right one!!!! Thanks for trying Cheryl x

I think we have it - the guy in lodgings in 1881 is a coal miner called Edward Atkin - look where he is lodging - Bulwell, Notts - now look at the birth of the last kiddies - Bulwell Notts I think you need to look for a death of Sarahs first hubby - and that marriage in 1891 looks likely their marriage. Sadly freebmd not showing the spouse

Do you have their marriage cert as there is an Edwin Atkin marrying Nottingham district April/May/June quarter of 1891. ALSO have you noticed a hefty gap between the last kiddie and the one before him?

What do you reckon??? Name: Edward Atkin Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Tamworth, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Hucknall Torkard County/Island: Nottinghamshire Street address: Limb Street Occupation: Coal Miner Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Bulwell ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edward Atkin 30 Albert Brackwell 5 George Brackwell 11 Hannah Brackwell 45 James Brackwell 9 Joseph Brackwell 45 William Brackwell 19 William H. Brackwell 1 David Fox Do we know if Sarah is a second wife? Could the kids be hers and so we should be looking for her under a different surname? Do you have their marriage cert?

Hi Urban girl Tried to find Mary's birth certicate but no luck. Cheryl x

Sorry, no luck. Tried Ancestry and Familysearch.

me either. I tried looking for Edwin and Sarah and little joy, so I changed tactic and looked for Lily who should have been abt6 then. The only Lily with a father Edwin and mother Sarah that I've found is this one: Name: Lily Millward Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Edwin Mother's name: Sarah Ann Gender: Female Where born: Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Kingswinford County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 11 Delph Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Stourbridge Sub-registration district: Kingswinford ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Arthur Millward 11 Edwin Millward 43 (manager of bricklayers - born Worcs, Lye) Edwin Millward (7months) James Millward 15 (labourer) Lily Millward 5 Miriam Millward 9 Richard T. Millward 2 Sarah Ann Millward 33 If this is them then I wouldn't know why the name change, or what happened to all the other children (maybe they died) Alternatively, they might have been missed, I have a family not on one of them and the husband is separate listed as widowed...but they then appear as a family again on the next one. it's my guess they may have been travelling at the time or something as they moved approx 250miles around that time.

Hi Reggie Any idea what it could mean?? Cheryl x