Genealogy Chat

Def have to shoot now. If you could give us more info about what you know of these people to help decide which/where we should be looking? Im sure the great sleuths on here will soon get some direction for you. Check you out later.

Do you reckon this is the young James: Dad has a shop in Angel Street - general dealer. He married a bit young didnt he! Name: James Oxenham Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Son Father's name: James Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Walworth, London, England Civil parish: Newington St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: Walworth St Marks Town: London City County/Island: London Country: England S Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Household Members: Name Age William Conaty 65 Alice Oxenham 1 Elizabeth Oxenham 29 Elizabeth Oxenham 11 Ellen Oxenham 9 George Oxenham 7 Hannah Oxenham 5 James Oxenham 31 James Oxenham 13 If that is them - keep this marriage handy for after you get his marriage cert as it will give you dads name and occupation. If they match with this James and Elizabeth heres their marriage possibly: Marriages Sep 1878 Oxenham James John St. Saviour 1d 186 HUMPHRIES Elizabeth Sarah St. Saviour 1d 186

right, i've just ordered the marriage cert for fletcher/Oxenham.....that'll depend on the french postal service now!!! hahaha. I hadn't looked into into the oxenham side on the census, I got into the fletcher side....then my dad started going on about his side of the family......which is a nightmare!!! lol

Well when you get that marriage cert see if it ties in with the 1891 guy who is a shopkeeper as his dad. (see below)

I'll let you know!!! at least oxenham is a better name than wood, or ward, or adams and jones!!! lol all I need is a smith, and i'll give up!!! lol I'll keep this thread posted, as soon as. Thanks again, you are great!!!

Theres so much info out there now, I dont want to put too much on here because it will make it even more confusing for you. Do the Oxenhams also have connections to Buckinghamshire. Anyway, Im worried about putting the wrong info into your head now! I reckon we ought to wait to see what that cert says before I start giving you stuff that may lead along the wrong lines for you. So just this bit - keep til later. (this is why you need a good family tree program - to keep all these odds and ends which MAY fit later. England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 Birth, Marriage, & Death Name: James Henry Oxenham Birth: Sep 1878 - St Saviour Southwark, London, Surrey

No, I ve not done much - sorry being distracted by argument between 21 year old son and his father !! LOL> Im sure more people will be on to help shortly. Im a bit annoyed I cant find James jnr and Mary Ann in 1901.

ohhh......living peoples arguments are more important than my dead ancestors!!!! lol ......Mary anns daughter harriett lived in peckham once married.....maybe her mother moved there before 1901? I also know that harriett was living with her future hubby 'enest and his wife catherine at one point, but that won't help you!!!! sorry.... lol

I'll keep it.........I get confused on my own anyway...... lol I'll have a butchers myself too....like that I wont feel too guilty about letting you do all the work!! I'll also try and find the family tree maker program....it looks good!!! I'll also have to write down where i got all the info from, as suggested in the newbie thread.... i've got over 200 names, and definatly not that number of certs!!!! bye for now...

Just realised you said Harriets 'mother' moved - no dad - went back to freebmd: in case you hadnt mentioned James dying. Cant see him here, but these are handy for you. Yes, thats the idea, go and have a mooch round freebmd and ancestry. And get the tree program asap as I look back and Ive no sources for my earliest stuff. Plus you will have that months sub to ancestry to go through all the census materials etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1891 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oxenham James 36 St. Saviour 1d 62 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1893 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oxenham James 1 St. Olave 1d 207 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oxenham James John 38 St. Saviour 1d 57

freaky.....3 james oxenhams dying within 3 years of each other..all in december.....3 genertions later..... i'm trying to fuffle up all thoses family secrets they tryed to keep!!!! lol

Heather P T It doesn't get better does it? 21 year grand daughter having arument with her father! Think I'll leave home! lol Clive

Well, 6ft son being grabbed by scruff by 5ft 8 hubby at the time and I thought Id better separate them! (Money probs as usual - this kid lets it fall through his fingers and then gets bills he expects us to pay. - But on top of that - he tells us he is taking the girlfriend to a posh restaurant tonight - hence row!) Son now gone out to the dozy girlfriends but did shout out, sorry as he went - so there you go - until tomorrow! LOL. Hard to concentrate on my Acton's lightermen apprenticeships and this site whilst listening to it though Clive!

Clive - can you see James and Mary Ann in 1901 please?

right.... certificate time. marriage cert for ernest wood and catherine welch, 1927 him 30 yrs old and a waterside labourer, her 28 a leather worker both lived at 47 fendall street, bermondsey. Ernest father was already deceased, her father was James welch, a water side labourer, deceased. the witnesses were ivy berry and A wood (alf, they married later on). Katherine welch was born 1898, oct, 1 bermondsey place,horselydown , father james welch, a wharf labourer, mother julia welch, formerly Coakley Harriett Oxenham was born in southwark on aug 23rd 1905 , 35 Tisdale place christened in walworth sept 1905 Father james oxenham,a general dealer.... witnessed in1916 On the back, dated 1916, the cert is signed for the factory act... mary ann oxenham signed it, but was living in 60 south street.... no occupation is written ernest wood; harriett oxenhams hubby(died at 56 yrs old.....I have the funeral bill, it cost 28 pounds in 1952....there is even a 2d revenue stamp on it his birth cert st olave, laether market. 2 aug 1894, born at 18 limasol street. bermondsey Father was henry john wood, a carman, journeyman..... mother, eliza wood, formely Nash, registered in oct 1984, but have a witnass signing in 1907...is this normal? on the marrige cert for ernest wood and harriett oxenham (she was knon as ann to a lot of people) 1940 camberwell 27 july 1940, he was 42 (widower to catherine welch/walsh), she was33 a spinster. he lived in 18 lanark house, she in 3 lanark house, old kent road. fathers name to ernast, henry john wood, a carman (deceased, fathers name to harriet, james oxenham, samesman (deceased) the witnasses were florrie oxenham and frank Starky(they married later) and joseph Clayton These are all original certificates...old, worn and torn, but in pretty good health considering..... It's amazing the amount of info I've got........ there you go, i hope this is enough....... bye, thanks i've got some googling to do:!!!!! lol

Cant take all that in! But James - general dealer? Sounds likely that lot is his in 1891 then. Can you just give us one bit that you want to know? :)

lol..... sorry, too much info is a bad thing...... firstly, could someone look this family up on the 1901 census? Katherine welch was born 1898, oct, 1 bermondsey place,horselydown , father james welch, a wharf labourer, mother julia welch, formerly Coakley Coakley is aprobable irish name.....so julias family might not be around..... and Welch got changed alot to walsh or welsh...... And could someone tell me the best way to look for families after 1901.....? thankyou

Right 1. thing at a time - after 1901 isnt easy - some names will be on the freebmd - otherwise you have to trawl through the complete bmd on ancestry - not an easy job. Then there is pay to view familyrelatives.org which is name searchable up to 1920.

1901 Name: Katherine Welsh Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1899 Relation: Daughter Father's name: James Mother's name: Julia Gender: Female Where born: SE; Bermondsey, London, England Civil parish: Horselydown Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St Olave, Southwark ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 166 Household Members: Name Age James Welsh 32 James Welsh 4 Julia Welsh 32 Julia Welsh 8 Katherine Welsh 2 Mary Welsh 7

LOL, This will intrigue you: Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Coakley Julia St. Olave 1d 544 Jacobs Annie St.Olave 1d 544 Moynehan Patrick St. Olave 1d 544 >>>Welsh James St. Olave 1d 544 BUT/AND Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Coakley Julia St saviour 1d 342 Squibb Benjamin Thomas St. Saviour 1d 342 >>>Welch Richard St. Saviour 1d 342 York Catherine St Saviour 1d 342