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Hi Maria Here we go. 1861 England Census 1861 England Census Name: Rebecca Goater Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Inmate Gender: Female Where born: N (not known) Civil parish: New Alresford County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Alresford Sub-registration district: Alresford ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 89 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Anich 11 Julia Barfoot 8 Alexaunder Brown 8 Charlotte Collyer 62 William Felton 4 Rebecca Goater 11 Alice Jenn 10 Maria Mauble 15 Ellen Mc Allisten 10 Emily McKoy 9 Elizabeth Rowland 15 Martha Woogn 12 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 703; Folio: 12; Page: 19; GSU roll: 542687. The paediatric orphan asylum seems to be next to Church Cottages, indicating that it was a concern of the church then. Think this would be St. John's Church, Alresford. I wonder who this child is. There is no relevant birth entry for her indicating that it might be your Rebecca who was born abroad. The death entry for this child (I presume) Rebecca Goater est. birth year. about 1850 Year of Registration 1867 April-May-June Age at death: 17 District Alresford Hampshire 2c Page 81. I think that you know that by a process of elimination who your 2 William Goaters must be as there only seems to be one William with father William in Hampshire area around that time. But you need to make that connection somehow - and it will be out there. I am very interested in your conundrum now and am curious about this poor child. Let me know how you get on. Alison.

Dear Alison You're a star!! I've been going back through my census info and the only William Goaters I can find the right-ish age seem to be listed without families(!) Can you do me one last favour and tell me which one you think it is?! Will certainly keep you updated re Rebecca - I have sent for birth cert (fingers crossed) and will get death cert also. Thanks again for your help and expertise - I am starting to feel hopeful that William will not be lost for ever. Best wishes Maria

Hi Maria Your previous correspondence with someone else on Rootschat revealed 24 Feb 1828 Sparsholt, son of William, labourer and REBECCA, taken directly from Hampshire Parish Records. www.knightroots.co.uk has Hampshire BMDs for personal perusal. Press control and 'F' to reveal lists of BMDs. There is a marriage of a William Goater, widower (oh no) to Rebecca Miles, also a widow (oh no) of Sparsholt 25/12/1827. So this is them. I'm tending to go with the passing down of the name Rebecca. However, if this is he, he was married before! But never fear, we can find his first marriage! A William Goater married in Sparsholt in 1813 to Elizabeth Sims. She died in 1823, wife of William. Very kind of this website to provide all this information. If you make this connection it will all be done for you. Methinks it's the Sparsholt lot. So let's see births from William and Elizabeth... Frances 1814, Henry 1815, Edith 1817, James 1820 (where father calls himself William Jnr). Ann 1822 - and then poor Elizabeth died 1823 aged 36. Then William remarries Rebecca in 1827 and has William. Can't see any other children listed for William and Rebecca. Rebecca died 13/10/1853 aged 63 so she was born about 1890 and married as a widow about the age of 36. The only William that the LDS (Mormon) site lists is William Henry Goater, baptised 10 Aug 1817, parents William and Eleanor, St. Thomas, Winchester. They seem to have missed out Sparsholt. If you think this is too early then I think that our William is above. But that link is what we need to verify. Alison

Dear Alison Yes, thanks I have this info from Rootschat (they're great on there aren't they but not as fast as on here!!!). Yes I also feel that the IGI entry (even if not totally accurate) is too early. If Rebecca is William's mystery daughter then that would make the William and Rebecca marriage extremely likely. To make matters even more interesting I've just found a George Brewer who was a fellow soldier of William's and must have joined at a similar time. I'm trying to find out more background on his wife (I think Sarah Ankers) to see if I can work out the cousin connection. I've passed on some of your great info to my dad who has been puzzling over William for years - he is thrilled to bits with the possible solution - so thanks a million and I will definitely let you know about little orphan Rebecca. Thanks again Alison All the best Maria

Here is Rebecca and William in the 1841 census with son William. So looks like just one son for Rebecca and William. William is an Ag Lab. A couple of doors up at what looks like Deluge Croft(!) is another Goater, Robert 56, wife Susannah, John 27 and Robert 19. A few more doors up Thomas Goater 43 Ag Lab, with Sarah 60. A couple of doors up George Goater 30 with Charlotte 40. We're overrun with Goaters! These must be brothers or cousins of William senior. 1841 England Census Name: Rebecca Goates (it should be Goater). Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1791 Gender: Female Where born: Hampshire, England Civil parish: Sparsholt Hundred: Winchester Division Buddlesgate (Upper Half) County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: (Living at Dean, which seems to be next door to Gabwood Farm where David Goater aged 35 is living with wife Ann and children Jane, William, Henry, Kezia. Also Charles Goater, 28. Occupation: View image Registration district: Winchester Sub-registration district: The Worthys Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Rebecca Goates 50 Wm Goates 48 Wm Goates 18 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 404; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Sparsholt; County: Hampshire; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 4; Page: 2; Line: 24; GSU roll: 288804. In the 1851 census Rebbeca, now a widow - again transcribed as Goates. Now calling herself a mother in law (so perhaps she had a daughter also). 1851 England Census 1851 England Census Name: Rebecca Goates Age: 62 Estimated birth year: abt 1789 Relation: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: West Chalton, Wiltshire, England (Although this is different, this does seem to be your Rebecca). Civil parish: Sparsholt County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Winchester Sub-registration district: Mitcheldever ED, institution, or vessel: 9 and 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Rebecca Goates 62 Arther Maslin 1 Elisabeth Maslin 3 Eliza Maslin 9 Ellen Maslin 1 Glenn Maslin 30 Henry Maslin 11 Jane Maslin 28 Walter Maslin 6 This daughter would be from her FIRST marriage. Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1673; Folio: 185; Page: 15; GSU roll: 193581. So Jane her daughter, married to Glenn Maslin (funny name). Here are some other names to research. A couple of doors away are George Goater, aged 50, farm labourer, wife Lucy, children Susannah, Lucy, Charlotte, Sophia. Couple of doors up John Goater, 44 widower, Peter 15, living with Isaac and Mary Giles, all farm labourers. Couple of doors up James Goater 33, Mary 31, also farm labourers, with Sarah and Alfred. Robert Goater 28 is a parish clerk is married to Eliza a few doors up. Benjamin Goater is there with Frances, children Joseph and Phoebe, farm labouring. They all seem to be living at this place called Dealing Crofts or Deluge Crofts. Ooh, Thomas Goater is a grocer there with wife Susan and children. When you make this connection, your family tree will expand considerably. Signing off Alison

Alison You've been an absolute star today - thanks again. Lots of info to mull over now while I wait for the certs to land. If ever I can return the favour and give you a hand please let me know. Best wishes Maria

Maria, it's me again. Looking at the Brewer link, It seems as if the Brewer family were in Sparsholt too. In the marriages for Sparsholt we can find 09/04/1870 Frederick BREWER 30 (father John, Farmer) marrying Elizabeth MASLIN 24 from Sparsholt. Remember that Rebecca Goater's son in law is a Maslin so her daughter Jane was Jane Maslin. Jane's daughter was Elizabeth Maslin so this Elizabeth Maslin could well be Rebecca Goater's grandaughter, Elizabeth. So here is a Brewer marrying into the Goater family. Children of Frederick and Elizabeth (nee Maslin) BREWER Frances Emily 1870, Albert Hugh 1872, KATE ELIZABETH BREWER -1875, Rosa 1877, Andrew, 1878, George Henry 1881, This would make Elizabeth Maslin and your William junior half siblings and their children Kate and Henry the children of half siblings - so yes, they would be cousins! Now I don't know if that is your Kate in 1920 - it may be if she did not marry - it certainly seems likely. Or perhaps one of the male children named their child Kate - but here is your definite Brewer link to the Goater family. Yup, they're all related to each other. AlisonX