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Can anyone advise how I can get a copy of the actual record now that I have found the correct marriage record?

Welcome to the boards David -

Who is the record for and where and when did the marriage take place - there may be online images. If not, hopefully via the relevant records office.

Too vague a question, I’m afraid.

Where have you ‘found’ the record? (Which website)

What are the FULL details?

If you have found the reference for the marriage, such as you would on freebmd, then the way to get a copy of the certificate is through the GRO ( for England & Wales). Prior to late 1837 there is only the Parish Register entry, which also can also be available for some later marriages. Older marriages may only appear as a list on Bishops Transcripts.

For Scotland then there is only Scotlands People as the source for all the above.

England Select is from Family Search who may not have a copy of the Parish Record.

Have pm'd David asking him to return to the thread if he wants further help.

The record is for my 2nd Great Grandparents, Elijah Humphries and Susanna Franks who were married in Dudley, Worcester in 20 Sep 1846. I found the reference via Ancestry. I am hoping the actual record will identify Elijah's parents. I have applied for Elijah's death record through Scotland's People hoping it might contain the information I am looking for.

Marriages Sep 1846 (>99%)

Franks Susannah Dudley 18 319
Humphries Elijah Dudley 18 319

Apply through the GRO site, as advised by Nameslessone.
You have to register with the site, then log in , click "Place an order" and follow wthe instructions.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/

I hope you didn't spend £12 on a copy of Elijah's death cert on SP.
You could have bought credits (£7.50 for 30) then used 6 of them to view and print the image of the original cert.

The death cert won't tell you his parents' names.

Thanks for coming back David - as per your PM - no Genes don't let you know you have replies!

Transcript only on find My Past

First name(s) Elijah
Spouse's first name(s) Susannah
Last name Humphries
Spouse's last name Franks
Name note -
Spouse's age -
Marriage year 1846
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Marriage date 20 Sep 1846
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Marriage place Dudley
Subcategory Parish Marriages
County Worcestershire
Collections from England, Great Britain
Country England

Ancestry trees have him born 1821 in Bilston, Staffordshire to James and Mary Humphries but don't take that as gospel !! Info on the trees before then is non existent.

In the 1851 census Susannah is said to be 24 and born Oldbury, Elijah in Bilston
By 1861 he was born Oldbury.

Her parents Isaac Franks 1796-1846 and Ann Mees 1795-1865

Apply to the GRO for a copy of the marriage cert. It will cost £11.00 and, if he knew his father, the name and occupation will be on the certificate. His mother will not be named

Thanks everyone. I am not convinced Elijah's father's name in trees is correct as none show sourcing. Unfortunately, I did pay the £12 because I didn't understand how the credits worked. Live and learn.

Marriage entry
While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data
Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Worcestershire
Place (Links to more information) Dudley
Church name (Links to more information) St Thomas
Register type (Links to more information) Unspecified
Register entry number 288
Marriage date 20 Sep 1846
Groom forename Elijah
Groom surname HUMPHRIES
Groom age of full age
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation Pudler
Groom abode Dudley
Bride forename Susannah
Bride surname FRANKS
Bride age of full age
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Dudley
Groom father forename James
Groom father surname HUMPHRIES
Groom father occupation Miner
Bride father forename Isaac
Bride father surname FRANKS
Bride father occupation Miner (deceased)
Witness1 Henry GRIGG
Witness2 Maria GRIGG
Notes By Banns-Groom Bride & witness 2 marked X witness 1 signed
Transcribed by Christine Pritchard
File line number 1163

For the poster’s reference, which website, please, safc?

FreeREG ErikaH

freereg org

i have sent david a message

Thanks.......... :-) :-) :-)

Well, here is an update. Sadly, the death record did not provide any useful data. I went to the freereg.org website and got to a listing of the number of Humphries births, marriages and burials for Dudley but when I clicked on the marriages hyperlink it just went back to the same page rather than taking me to the actual marriage records. I must be doing something wrong but I have no idea what. Anyway, I have also written St. Thomas & St. Luke Parish in Dudley to see if they can confirm the parents names. On the positive side, I am aware that Susannah's father was Isaac so I'm hoping the information above proves to be correct.

What you need is sight of the actual parish register ( not always available online) OR you need to purchase the marriage certificate from the GRO.

The church may not still have the actual record books - they may have been lodged elsewhere.

Added: For Information - English death certificates do not include details of family members. However, a woman’s death certificate may state she was the wife / widow of……….

All the relevant details pertaining to the marriage are in safc’s post on 17th May………

Unfortunately those details don’t give an address which may well prove helpful.

Elijah was not living with anyone else named Humphries in 1841, so, unless he moved back ‘home’ before marrying, the address won’t help.