Genealogy Chat

Hello. I have a couple of documents for an Ancestor of mine but they are not very legible. I cannot afford to subscribe to Fold3 so am asking if anyone has a subscription and would be willing to look them up and let me have a copy please?

If anyone is willing then I can send the details of the document.

Regards,

Kathryn

They offer a free trial period.

They sometimes also offer free access over Remembrance weekend…….check in a few days

Thank you ErikaH but it asks for my Bank Details and I don't like giving these out online or over the phone as I had a bad experience two years ago.

Regards,

Kathryn

Isn’t it usually credit card

I only ever use a credit card online for subs , purchases ,insurance renewals

What documents are you looking for - they may be available on another site to which one of us belongs eg. often FMP has service documents.

I don’t have a credit card.

The record I'm after is from the Australia WW11 Service Records.

Charles Ernest Clark
Birth date 12 June 1881
Birth place Dalhouise, India
Enlistment date 1939-1948
Military Service Branch Royal Australian Navy
Service number 9140
Spouse Jessie Clark
Series Description A6770: Ran, Petty Officers and Men

Apparently there are two pages of this document.

Thanking you all in advance.

Regards,

Kathryn

Not what you asked for but as it came up

First name(s) Charles Ernest
Father's last name Clark
Last name Clark
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Birth year 1882
Archive reference N-1-181
Birth date 28 Jun 1882
Folio 36
Baptism year 1882
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Baptism date 23 Jul 1882
Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms
Place Dalhousie
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Presidency Bengal
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) Arthur
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
brightsolid online publishing ltd.
copyright brightsolid online publishing ltd.
Other records featuring that name
(6 records)


Different birth date though

And

Name Charles Ernest Clark
Registration Year 1910
[1910]
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration district Medway
Inferred County Kent
Volume 2a
Page 1254
Records on Page (Name)
Charles Ernest Clark
Jessie Amelia Morton

Thank you Shirley for this info. I have two dates of birth for him, 28 June 1882 and 12 June 1881. I believe he used the last dob for enlisting. What were they like back then!!!

This is one in the same person though.

Regards,

Kathryn

Do you have this?


Charles Ernest Clark
in the Web: UK, Royal Marines Registers of Service Index, 1842-1925
Name Charles Ernest Clark
Birth Date 12 Jun 1881
Enlistment Date 12 Oct 1899
Division Royal Marine Artillery
Register Number 8454
URL https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7759056

Birthplace: Delhousie, India.
Trade: Farm labourer
Religion: Church of England
Enlisted: 12 October 1899 at Colchester.
NOK: Father, Arthur
Address: Curlingtye Green, Woodham Walter, Maldon, Essex.
Description on enlistment: 5ft 7 8/10th inches; dark complexion, dark hair, blue eyes. Tattoo marks on fingers and back of left hand, also tattoo marks on back and front of left forearm.

Rank: Private
Company: 2 [?]
Name of division or ship: RM Arty. Supy.

Entry 12 Oct 1899 - discharge 31 Dec 1899: VG character.
1 Jan 1900 - 1 May 1900: cause of discharge - L Coy
2 May 1900 - 8 Oct 1900: cause of discharge - CM; Character fair
9 Oct 1900 - 15 Oct 1900: cause of discharge - TF
16 Oct 1900 - 3 Nov 1900 (on transfer to [? something I can't read ]): cause of discharge: E L Chatham. Character VG; ability - fair

Conduct: 12 Oct 1899 - first class.
Conduct : 9 Oct 1900 - second class.


CM = court martial ??? Services forfeited: 7 days.

Hello ArgyllGran. Thank you so much for this information. I do have most of it but it is the original images of the Australia WW11 Service Record that I would dearly love to have. Court Martial, I wonder what that was all about?

Am trying to see when he was last in service as his wife Jessie Amelia marries again in 1922 so am wondering did Charles die as she is given as a Widow, or did he just disappear somewhere?

Kind regards,

Kathryn

Jessie was ‘married’ on 1921 census

Had two children living with her……….

Thank you ErikaH. On 8 July 1922 Jessie marries my Grand Uncle Arthur John Neville Bryant and the MC shows her as being a Widow.

Regards,

Kathryn

Charles didn't die before Jessie's 1922 marriage, in view of his WW2 record.

They must have divorced, or maybe just separated , and Jessie would have called herself a widow to save face in 1922.

On the other hand, Jessie is named as his wife in the transcription of the WW2 record.
Of course, that might depend on the wording of the actual record - it might just be recording the fact that he had been married, and might also say "divorced", "estranged" or similar.

Hi ArgyllGran. Thank you for your response. Excuse my ignorance but I can't see anything for Charles showing Jessie as his wife in 1922 on his record. Maybe I'm having another senior moment!!!

Regards,

Kathryn

I'm not sure what you mean, Kathryn.

You said that Jessie's 1922 marriage cert said she was a widow.

But Charles was still alive, as proved by the Australian WW2 record which you posted.

Therefore they must have divorced or separated, and she claimed to be a widow for respectability.
Divorce was considered shameful in those days.

Sorry ArgyllGran, I was having a Senior Moment. Am still looking for his death though. The man is elusive!!!

Regards,

Kathryn

Perhaps he had emigrated to Australia.

That WW2 record could have the clue.

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Basically the transcription is as is from the records card

Says he was on loan from the Royal Navy and sighne from 3.8. 1919 for three years



Name Charles Ernest Clark
Gender Male
Birth Date 12 Jun 1881
Birth Place Dalhouise India
Enlistment Date 1939-1948
Military Service Branch Royal Australian Navy
Service Number 9140
Spouse
Jessie Clark
Next of Kin Jessie Clark
Series Description A6770: Ran, Petty Officers and Men

Any money due was paid to his wife

Suggests he died whilst in Australia so her remarrying in 1921 as a widow wouid fit

In that case, the statement in the transcription "Enlistment Date 1939-1948" is very misleading - not to mention wrong.

Those dates don't appear anywhere on the image.

I don't see any sign that he died in Australia - though if so, that would fit, as Shirley says.

He was "approved to be included in draft travelling to UK in November" 1921.