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Deaths 1985 (>99%)
SILLS LILY 4SE1898 NOTTINGHAM 8 602

Too impatient to wait for the Stevenson cert, I have sent off for the Sills/Spencer cert.

Not sure you need it :-S :-S

Did you notice the death?

I can find no children of their marriage, but Lily was 36 at the time of her marriage.

Yes, I noticed the death. I will send for the cert when I am sure this is the right Lily.
That's enough for tonight. Sleep well.

The 1985 death posted by ErikaH -
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Lily Sills died 10.8.1985, cremated 23rd at Wilford Hill, Nottingham. An Agnes Sills apples for the cremation with an address in Loughborough, Leics.

An Agnes Sills b 19.10.1916 died 1988 Nottingham RD (probate shows that Loughborough address)

This appears to be that Agnes - Clarence Sills married Agnes Hammond Q2 1939 Nottingham

1939 Register
20 Rockford Road, Nottingham, Nottingham C.B., Nottinghamshire, England
Clarence Sills 12 Dec 1906 Male Hosiery Worker Manager Married 191 1
Agnes Sills 19 Oct 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 191 2

Clarence appears to have died 1982 Nottingham age 75 - DOB as above. Cremated Wilford Hill, applied for by a David Sills. Clarence's probate was Feb. 1983

The marriage cert for Edwin Sills and Lily Spencer arrived today, confirming that she is "my" Lily. The marriage was witnessed by Thyrza Spencer, who was Lily's mother, and her father is given as Kennel Man. This all ties in nicely. Curiously, the other witness was Arthur Marshall. Amy Spencer's child Cecily (Cicely) had the middle name Marshall, and the name crops up elsewhere. I am wondering whether a Marshall was the father. Now to get on searching.

So far I can find no children of this marriage from 5 years prior to and 10 years after in the Nottingham area.

That name has cropped up again. A Marshall Sills is in the same household as Edwin T Sills, born 1902. He is obviously Edwin's brother. Is this just a coincidence?

Marshall Sills died in 1918

Marshall Sills was named after his maternal grandfather, Marshall Davison.


The Sills boys' parents' marriage:

Isabella Davison
in the Nottinghamshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
Name Isabella Davison [Isabel Davison]
Gender Female
Marriage Age Full Age
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 18 Apr 1891
Marriage Place Bulwell, St. John, Nottinghamshire, England
Parish as it Appears Bulwell
Father Marshall Davison
Spouse Mark Sills

First name(s) Cicely Marshall
Place Grimsby, St James
Last name Spencer
County Lincolnshire
Sex Unknown
Country England
Birth year 1909
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Birth date 12 Mar 1909
Page 16
Baptism year 1909
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms
Baptism date 31 Mar 1909
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) -
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Amy
Collections from England, Great Britain
Description St James

No father named, so that's a dead end. Sometimes vicars included name of possible father if they knew the family well


Spencer
Cecily Marshall
1909
1932
10/08/1932
National Burial Index For England & Wales
Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England

In Sleaford workhouse in 1911, with mother and brother Harry, aged 8 months (also illegitimate)

First name(s) Harry
Country England
Last name Spencer
Volume 3A
Birth quarter 3
Page 744
Birth year 1910
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Spencer
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Bishops Stortford
Subcategory Civil Births
County Hertfordshire

Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
SPENCER Harry 1 Sleaford 7a 527

Here is another line I need to follow. (Why is this font so small?) The sister of Amy,
Eleanor May Spencer, b, 1892. I can find nothing after the 1911 census as a kitchen maid in the household of Sir Arthur Bigge, Lord Horsley, at St James's Palace, St Martin in the Fields, London. Lord Horsley was the Private Secretary to the Duke of Cornwall and Kent.

Any comments regarding info already provided?

Where have you looked for info about Eleanor?

First point…she was born in 1891

Second…….have you investigated and ruled out the death in 1913 registered in Sevenoaks district? You need to look at the GRO index to determine the second forename………….

I tried looking for a death in all areas covering several years. Too many to narrow it down. But yes, she must be the one, her parents and sisters moved to the Sevenoaks area. So, no offspring to find there then.

Are you going to check the GRO?

She was baptised in Nov 1891. I will check the death, but it is not a priority at the moment. She won't go on my tree until I am 100% sure. Her parents and youngest sisters moved to the Sevenoaks area prior to the 1911 census.

So far, Sydney John Spencer seems to be the only sibling of Amy to have had children. I have been in contact with two of his grandchildren and met up with one of them. But they knew nothing of Amy.

SPENCER, ELEANOR MAY 21
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in SEVENOAKS Volume 02A Page 895

If you knew she was baptised in 1891, why did you give her birth year as 1892?