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Can anyone help please re 1911 census

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Sep 2020 22:59

The more I delve into this family, the more confused I become!
And now I'm going to confuse you too.

Mary Lewis and Charles Stratton in 1891 - also with his (brother ?) John and family:

Charles Stratton
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Charles Stratton
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Relationship: Boarder
Birth Year: 1864
Birth Place: N
Civil Parish: Acton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Residence Place: Acton, Acton, Middlesex, England
Registration District: Brentford
Sub registration district: Acton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Piece: 1037
Folio: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Liddington 31
Charles Stratton 27 - single, boarder
Mary Lewis 26 - single, boarder
John Stratton 25 - married, boarder
Emily A English 21 - married, boarder
Daisy E Liddington 9/12 [ Stratton on image] boarder, daughter

John and Emily had married in 1889, so don't know why Emily's maiden name is on 1891 census. Daisy is their daughter.

John Stratton
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: John Stratton
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1864
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1889
Marriage Place: St James Norlands, Kensington, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Henry Stratton
Spouse: Emily Ada English
Register Type: Parish Register


At Charles Shatton/Stratton's marriage to Mary Lewis in 1891, his father is named as Charles Henry.

Possibly the father's marriage:
???
Charles Stratten
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Charles Stratten
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1827
Marriage Date: 4 May 1862
Marriage Place: St Stephen, Shepherds Bush, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Father: Charles Stratten
Spouse: Ann Fisher
Register Type: Parish Register


In 1939 John's DOB is given as 21 April 1865.

STRATTION, JOHN mms FISHER
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 157

His brother Charles?

STRATTION, JOHN CHARLES mms FISHER
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 146

Another brother??

STRATTION, EDWARD mms FISHER
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 167

and Edward's death:

Edward Stratton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Edward Stratton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 2
Registration District: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 128

I previously posted what I thought might be the birth of Harry Stratton, with surname Lewis, in 1888.

However, there's this birth : - could he have been a much younger brother of Charles 1864, rather than a son ??? Although 1901 census does say he's Mary's son.
If he's the son of Mary Lewis and Charles Stratton, he's not with them in 1891.


STRATTION, HENRY mms FISHER
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 86


Henry Strattion
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Henry Strattion
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Mar 1886
Baptism Place: Holy Trinity, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Charles Strattion
Mother: Mary Ann Strattion
Register Type: Parish Registers


Birth and death of another son of Mary Lewis and Charles Stratton:

STRATTON, CHARLES HENRY mms LEWIS
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 133

STRATTON, CHARLES HENRY 0
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 79


Possible death of Charles (Mary Lewis's husband) ??

Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%)
Stratton Charles 32 Fulham 1a 163

Charles Stratton
in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Name: Charles Stratton
Age: 32
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1864
Death Date: abt 1896
Burial Date: 9 Dec 1896
Burial Place: Ealing, Greater London, England
Cemetery: Acton Cemetery
Grave Number: E26a/i
Interment Number: 352




Death of Ann (nee Fisher):

Ann Stratton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ann Stratton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 56
Registration District: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a

Kim from Sandhurst

Kim from Sandhurst Report 16 Sep 2020 23:45

Hi everyone

I ordered 4 certs yesterday, hoping I can put them all together. Once I get them I come back to this thread and ..... my head is spinning, been away from genealogy too long, need to get back into that thinking mode.

Thank you everyone for all your help, it's so appreciated

Kim xx

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Sep 2020 15:52

Mary Stratton (nee Lewis) in 1911:

Mary Stratton
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mary Stratton
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: N K
Civil Parish: Isleworth
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: The Brentford Union Workhouse, Isleworth
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Laundrywork
Registration District: Brentford
Registration District Number: 128
Sub-registration District: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 28-37
Piece: 6833

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Sep 2020 00:10

???
LEWIS, SARAH JANE -
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 60


Deaths Jun 1885 (>99%)
Lewis Sarah Jane 0 Brentford 3a 64



EDIT:
No, not so sure about these!


???
LEWIS, SUSAN EMILY -
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 51


Can't see a sister Mary Stratton or Lewis.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Sep 2020 23:55

Mary Lewis
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Mary Lewis
[User-submitted-comment]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1865
Marriage Date: 14 Sep 1891
Marriage Place: South Acton, Ealing, England
Father: John Lewis
Spouse: Charles Shatton [ age 27, father Charles Henry ]
Register Type: Parish Register


Harry was born before the marriage:

??

LEWIS, HENRY -
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 109



ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Sep 2020 23:48

He's a coal porter in 1911, not a laundryman, but maybe changed occupation.

Harry Stratton
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Harry Stratton
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Acton, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Acton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 11A Petersfield Road, Acton
Occupation: Coal Porter
Registration District: Brentford
Registration District Number: 128
Sub-registration District: Acton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 6965
Household Members:
Name Age
James Digby 44
Elizabeth Digby 42
Elizabeth Digby 17
Alice Digby 12
James Digby 6
Joseph Digby 4
Harry Stratton 24


His mother was a laundress in 1901:

Harry Shatton
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Harry Shatton
[Harry Stratton]
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Mother: Mary Shatton
Birth Place: Chiswick, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Acton
Ecclesiastical parish: South Acton All Saints
Town: Acton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration District: Brentford
Sub-registration District: Acton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 1203
Folio: 54
Page Number: 29
Household Schedule Number: 165
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Shatton 38
Harry Shatton 14
John Shatton 8
Daisy Shatton 6
Florence Shatton 5
Annie Holding 23
William Holding 4/12


Neither of Harry's sisters in 1901 census is old enough to have been Alfred S's mother. At least one hopes so. They'd have been 8 and 10.


Daisy May Stratton
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Daisy May Stratton
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Dec 1894
Baptism Place: South Acton, Ealing, England
Father: Charles Stratton
Mother: Mary Stratton
Register Type: Parish Registers


STRATTON, DAISY MAY mms LEWIS
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 134


Florence Maud Stratton
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Florence Maud Stratton
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Jun 1897
Baptism Place: Acton St Mary, Ealing, England
Father: Charles Stratton
Mother: Mary Stratton
Register Type: Parish Registers

STRATTON, FLORENCE MAUD mms LEWIS
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 153


??
Florence Stratton
in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Name: Florence Stratton
Age: 10
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1896
Death Date: abt 1906
Burial Date: 24 May 1906
Burial Place: Ealing, Greater London, England
Cemetery: Acton Cemetery
Grave Number: M98/g
Interment Number: 4916


Kim from Sandhurst

Kim from Sandhurst Report 15 Sep 2020 22:48

Thank you safc, I've sent for the cert

Can't thank you guy's enough, as the Digby's have Harry Stratton living with them on 1911.

Kim

safc

safc Report 15 Sep 2020 22:12

from the gro


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DIGBY, ALFRED SIDNEY STRATTON
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 216

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp#LoginForm

Kim from Sandhurst

Kim from Sandhurst Report 15 Sep 2020 21:46

ArgyllGran

Re Alfred Sidney Digby, how do you know mothers maiden name was Stratton?

Kim

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Sep 2020 19:20

13 Somerset Road in 1901:

Harry Digby
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Harry Digby
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Blanche Digby
Birth Place: Acton, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Acton
Ecclesiastical parish: South Acton All Saints
Town: Acton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
View image
Registration District: Brentford
Sub-registration District: Acton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 1203
Folio: 48
Page Number: 18
Household Schedule Number: 114
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Digby 30 - builder's labourer
Blanche Digby 28
Lizzie Digby 6
Florry Digby 4
Rose Digby 2
Frederick Ling 63 - boarder


DIGBY, ROSE LOUISA mms LING
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 156

DIGBY, FLORENCE MATILDA mms LING
GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 148


Henry Digby
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Henry Digby
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1870
Marriage Date: 6 Jan 1894
Marriage Place: St Mary, Acton, Ealing, England
Father: Thomas Digby
Spouse: Blanche Edith Ling
Register Type: Parish Register


Harry Digby
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Harry Digby
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1870
Mother: Elizabeth Digby
Birth Place: Acton, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Acton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Residence Place: Acton, Acton, Middlesex, England
Registration District: Brentford
Sub registration district: Acton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 1036
Folio: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Digby 62
Thos Digby 34 <<<<<<<<< ?????
James Digby 24
Harry Digby 21
Alfred Digby 18


In 1901 Elizabeth, the mother, is at 2 Somerset Road with married daughter Eliza Watts and family.

Eliza's marriage:
DIGBY Eliza Louisa Brentford 3a 64
Watts Arthur Brentford 3a 64


Can't see the brother Thomas after 1891, apart from on Rose Elizabeth's baptism record.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Sep 2020 18:30

??? Brentford RD includes Acton.

DIGBY, ALFRED SIDNEY mms STRATTON
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 216

Can't see any likely marriage of parents.


A sister ??

DIGBY, ROSE ELIZABETH mms STRATTON
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 190


Rose Elizabeth Digby
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Rose Elizabeth Digby
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 May 1902 [ DOB 4 Aug 1901 ]
Baptism Place: South Acton, Ealing, England
Father: Thomas Digby [ carman ]
Mother: Mary Digby
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 13 Somerset Road


Harry Purkiss and family were at 13 Somerset Road in 1911.
Also (different household) Isaac Ireland and family.
Third household: Frances Anthony, widow.

Kim from Sandhurst

Kim from Sandhurst Report 15 Sep 2020 17:19

Thank you Safc

I think I still have some credits outstanding on there

Kim

Kim from Sandhurst

Kim from Sandhurst Report 15 Sep 2020 17:17

Erika

I am giving 1 year either side of 1905 due to that but still can't find a birth

But also Harry (or Harold) Stratton is such a common name

Kim

safc

safc Report 15 Sep 2020 17:09

hi kim

from find my past

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Sep 2020 16:53

In 1939 and at death, his DoB is given as 16th July 1905. If that was correct, his age in 1911 would equate to an estimated birth year of 1906 - not 1905 as per 1911 census

Kim from Sandhurst

Kim from Sandhurst Report 15 Sep 2020 16:52

Oh Erika,

Thanks so much for that
Kim :)

Kim from Sandhurst

Kim from Sandhurst Report 15 Sep 2020 16:42

Hi Safc

Thanks so much for the info, did you get the 1911 on Ancestry?

Yes all other info I have but still no birth tho :(

Thanks again
Kim

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Sep 2020 16:35

Have you got his marriage cert?

Marriages Mar 1928 (>99%)
Cockman Dorothy V Stratton Brentford 3a 117
STRATTON Alfred S Cockman Brentford 3a 117

Image on Ancestry

He SAYS his deceased father's name was Harry Stratton - Laundryman

One of the witnesses was John Stratton.........have you followed up on that?

safc

safc Report 15 Sep 2020 16:31

1939 Register logo
The National Archives logo
Sidney W O'Neill's life in 1939
2 Century Road, Egham, Egham U.D., Surrey, England

Searle household
(12 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
John J Searle 15 Feb 1905 Male General Labourer Married 2 1
Florence E Searle 15 Sep 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 2 2

Sidney W O'Neill 26 Sep 1914 Female General Labourer Single 2 5
Alfred S Stratton 16 Jul 1905 Male Light Lorry Driver Married 2 6
Dorothy V Stratton 19 Mar 1907 Female Household Duties Unpai Married 2 7
T
Beryl Grace Doye (Stratton) 01 Jan 1930 Female At School Single 2 9
Albert Upton 04 May 1928 Male At School Single 2 10

Charles (W N) Ricketts 01 Jul 1932 Male At School Single 2 12

safc

safc Report 15 Sep 2020 16:28

Record Transcription:
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
r
Order an official copy

from the UK General Register Office:
Order Certificate
Is this the same person?
We've found the following potential record matches for the same person in other record sets
Alfred S Stratton
1939 Register
Surrey, England
Year of census: 1939
Alfred S Stratton

First name(s) ALFRED SIDNEY
Last name STRATTON
Gender Male
Birth day 16
Birth month 7
Birth year 1905
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1979
District Surrey Northern
County Surrey
Volume 17
Page 0442
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England