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Thank you for this, I have the family Right fron John Ridout born ib 1761. I have really apprieciated the full list you have sent. I only came back and joined Genes to find out about the Todmorden connection. I now have a lot more information. Thank you very much.

The man who married in 1935

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
Ridout Robert S Palmer Hay 11b 186

and a brother

Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
Ridout Joseph W Palmer Hay 11b 172

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Ridout Thomas H Smith Fulham 1a 344

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
Ridout Robert S Fulham 1a 740
Smith Mary A Fulham 1a 740

1911

Name: Robert Sidney Ridout
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hammersmith
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 32 Westville Road, Shepherds Bush W
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1911
Occupation: Masons Labourer
Registration district: Fulham
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 209
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Sidney Ridout 24
Mary Adelaide Ridout 19

Name: Robert Sydney Ridout
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Feb 1887
Baptism Place: West Kensington St Matthew, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Father: Charles Ridout
Mother: Harriet Jane Ridout


Name: Robert Sidney Ridout
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1887
Enlistment Age: 28
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1910
Marriage Place: Ast Stephens Shchurch Sme
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 52 Cathnor Rd, Shephards Bush
Regimental Number: 124304
Regiment Name: Royal Field Artillery
Number of Images: 34
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Robert Sidney Ridout Self (Head)
Mary Adelaide Smith Spouse
Robert John Ridout Child
Thomas Herbert Ridout Child


1891

Name: Robert Ridout
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1887
Father: Charles Ridout
Mother: Harriet Ridout
Birth Place: Hammersmith, London, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Residence Place: Hammersmith, London, England
Registration district: Fulham
Sub registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, Institution or Vessel: 25a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 39
Folio: 100
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Ridout 45
Harriet Ridout 36
Elizabeth Ridout 14
Herbert Ridout 10
Thomas Ridout 8
Frederick Ridout 6
Amy Ridout 2
Robert Ridout 4
John Ridout 3/12



Name: Robert S Ridout
Death Age: 46
Birth Date: abt 1887
Registration Date: 1933
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 144

Robert Sidney Ridout
in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Robert Sidney Ridout
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1887
Enlistment Age: 28
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1910
Marriage Place: Ast Stephens Shchurch Sme
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 52 Cathnor Rd, Shephards Bush <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Regimental Number: 124304
Regiment Name: Royal Field Artillery
Number of Images: 34
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Robert Sidney Ridout Self (Head)
Mary Adelaide Smith Spouse
Robert John Ridout Child - born 14/6/1913, Fulham
Thomas Herbert Ridout Child - born 11/7/1914, Shepherds Bush


Occupation (before attesting): erector of machinery.
Height: 5ft 4.75ins; good physical development.
Distinctive marks: mole on chest.
Tattoo of clasped hands on right forearm.
Demobbed Oct 19, 1919

Served in France.
Hospitalised with bronchitis Jan-Feb 1917.
Had influenza 1918.

Deprived of one day's pay for being absent without leave whilst on active service, 10pm 19/11/1916 to 7.30pm 20/11/1916.
Had previously been admonished for same offence in April 1916.


52 Cathnor Road is the same address as Thomas Herbert Ridout and family in 1939 Register, posted above by ErikaH. (Mistranscribed as Catherine Road.)

PM from Hazel, relevant bits copied here with her permission:

Just seen the report yes this is my family. I think the war service of my grandfather 1914-1920 is very interesting. I was looking for it but had no luck. That and the mystery of my mistaking Robert Stanley for a Robert Sidney put me off track. I became interested in Todmorden as I was not aware of reletives there. My cousin found an old post card of a park in Todmorden. We were intrigued it was to my grandmother and ended your dear sister Maggie Ridout. She was telling my grandmother that Robert Sidney was with them but had to leave to get back by 7pm. My grandfather was gassed in the first world war. I dicovered that there was a hopital in the park.

thats good

PM received from Hazel, confirming that this is indeed her family.

I'll copy the relevant parts here when she gives me permission.

census to go with argyllgrans find page 1 marriage
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

House IN, The Village, Milton Abbas, Blandford, Dorset, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Vatcher Head Widower Male 58 1793 Farm Labourer Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Elizabeth Riddout Daughter Married Female 31 1820 Thread Button Maker Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Charles Riddout Son In Law Married Male 31 1820 Farm Labourer Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Sarah Riddout Grand Daughter - Female 11 1840 Thread Button Maker Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
John Riddout Grand Son - Male 8 1843 Farm Labourer Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Charles Riddout Grand Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Mary Riddout Grand Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Milton Abbas, Dorset, England


First name(s) Charles
Last name Ridout
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1820
Baptism date 1820
Residence Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Place Milton Abbas
County Dorset
Country England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Ridout

Maddie has posted the 1881 census showing Charles Ridout born in Barnes.

That is the man who was living in Todmorden in 1911 (see page 1).

I can't find a census with Charles and Robert together, but Harriet was the mother of both of them. See 1901 census posted at 12:36.

Births:

RIDOUT, CHARLES JOHN ROBERT mms CHESHIER
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in RICHMOND SURREY Volume 02A Page 324

RIDOUT, ROBERT SIDNEY mms CHESHIER
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 230


Kath already posted Robert's birth and info re his parents on page 1 (3rd May)

Hazel -

You have just re-posted what you had already posted at 9:34.

Have you read the information given since then?

If you feel that the man born in 1887 is also not your Robert, then I fear you'll have to give us more to go on;.

So if that's your Robert, he wasn't born in Dorset, didn't leave there "as a young man", and wasn't a coachman.

I've already posted 1891 census.

Here he is in 1901 and 1911:

Robert Sidney Ridout
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Robert Sidney Ridout
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hammersmith
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 32 Westville Road, Shepherds Bush W
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1911
Occupation: Masons Labourer
Registration district: Fulham
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 209
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Sidney Ridout 24
Mary Adelaide Ridout 19



Robert Ridout
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Robert Ridout
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Harriett J Ridout [ Mother, of course, not father ]
Birth Place: London W
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Shepherds Bush
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors:
Piece: 42
Folio: 124
Page Number: 40
Household schedule number: 288
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriett J Ridout 46 - head, married
Herbert Ridout 20
Roderick Ridout 16
Robert Ridout 14 - errand boy
Amy Ridout 12
John Ridout 10
May Ridout 7
John Cheshier 50
George Harms 20
George Darrett 20

Thank you for your kind reply. I have now established that this is not a relative of mine. The Ridouts that are my ancestors were born in Milton Abbas area of Dorset. My grandfather Robert Sidney Ridout left Dorset as a young man and went to London and worked as a coachman. The link with Charles Ridout who lived in Todmorden, is they were brothers.
Hazel

1881
24, South Street, Hammersmith, Fulham, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Harriet J Ridout Wife Head Married Female 26 1855 - London, Middlesex, England
Charles J K Ridout Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Barnes, Surrey, England
Elizabeth M A Ridout Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Herbert Ridout Son Single Male 0 1881 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Harriet J Ridout's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

1891
Blythe Road, Hammersmith, Fulham, London & Middlesex, England
Learn about this record set
Charles Ridout Head Married Male 45 1846 Coachman Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Harriet Ridout Wife Married Female 36 1855 - London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Ridout Daughter - Female 14 1877 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Herbert Ridout Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Ridout Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Clapham, Surrey, England
Frederick Ridout Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Amy Ridout Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Robert Ridout Son - Male 4 1887 - London, Middlesex, England
John Ridout Son - Male 0 1891 - London, Middlesex, England

There seem to be only two Robert Ridouts with middle name specifically Sidney/Sydney.

The most likely is the one born 1887, in that tree which Maddie has posted, and whose birth Kath posted on page 1. Born in Fulham - so didn't leave Dorset as a young man , as you suggest.

His father is the Charles I've posted about above, who was born in Milton Abbas.

He's therefore the nephew of the Robert born in Milton Abbas, whom I've posted above.


This will also be Robert 1887:

Robert Sidney Ridout
in the UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920
Name: Robert Sidney Ridout
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Driver
Unit: Royal Field Artillery
Company: WO 329
Regiment or Corps: Royal Field Artillery
Regiment Number: 124304
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal

from a tree on ancestry
charles


father
Charles RIDOUT
1846–
Birth 15 MAY 1846 • Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Death Unknown
mother
Harriet Jane CHESHIER
1855–1931
Birth 1855 • Holborn, London
Death 20 DEC 1931 • Brentford, London


Birth
01 Oct 1874 • Barnes, London, England

1874

(AGE)
Baptism
13 Dec 1874 • St Mary's, Barnes, Surrey

1874
Birth of Sister Elizabeth May A RIDOUT(1876–)
30 Nov 1876 • Hammersmith, London, England

1876

2
Birth of Sister Eliza Chesher RIDOUT(1879–1881)
27 Mar 1879

1879

4
Birth of Brother Herbert RIDOUT(1880–)
Dec 1880 • Hammersmith, London, England

1880

6
Death of Sister Eliza Chesher RIDOUT(1879–1881)
Jun 1881

1881

6
Residence
1881 • 24 South St, Hammersmith, London, England

1881

7
Birth of Brother Thomas William RIDOUT(1882–)
17 Nov 1882 • Clapham, London, England

1882

8
Birth of Brother Frederick RIDOUT(1885–)
07 Mar 1885 • Hammersmith, London, England

1885

10
Birth of Brother Robert Sidney RIDOUT(1887–1933)
06 Jan 1887 • Hammersmith, London, England

1887

12
Birth of Sister Amy Eliza RIDOUT(1889–)
12 Jan 1889 • Hammersmith, London, England

1889

14
Birth of Brother John Edgar RIDOUT(1890–)
22 Dec 1890 • Hammersmith, London, England

1890

16
Birth of Sister Marion May RIDOUT(1893–)
16 Dec 1893 • Hammersmith, London, England

1893

19
Marriage
03 Jul 1904 • Dublin, Ireland
Margaret Mary Josephine KELLEHER

(1876–1945)

1904

29
Birth of Daughter Margaret Mary Easter RIDOUT(1905–)
23 Apr 1905 • Battersea, London

1905

30
Birth of Daughter Mary Agnes RIDOUT(1907–1907)
07 May 1907 • Todmorden, W.Yorks

1907

32
Birth of Daughter Kathleen RIDOUT(1907–1907)
07 May 1907 • Todmorden, W.Yorks

1907

32
Death of Daughter Kathleen RIDOUT(1907–1907)
08 May 1907 • Todmorden, W.Yorks

1907

32
Death of Daughter Mary Agnes RIDOUT(1907–1907)
09 May 1907 • Todmorden, W.Yorks

1907

32
Birth of Daughter Elizabeth Harriet RIDOUT(1908–1989)
30 Dec 1908 • Todmorden, W.Yorks

1908

34
Residence
02 Apr 1911 • 17 Canteen St, Lydgate, Todmorden, Yorkshire, England

1911

36
Birth of Son John Michael RIDOUT(1911–1965)
03 Apr 1911 • Todmorden, W.Yorks

1911

36
Census 1911
1911 • 17 Canteen St, Lydgate, Todmorden, Yorkshire, England

Age 37; Occ: Sup Carrier, Cotton Spinning Works

1911

37
Birth of Daughter Mary Theresa RIDOUT(1912–1995)
23 Dec 1912 • Todmorden, W.Yorks

1912

38
Birth of Son Michael Joseph RIDOUT(1914–1990)
20 Jun 1914 • Todmorden, W.Yorks

1914

39
Birth of Daughter Elizabeth Ridout GREENWOOD(1928–1991)
20 May 1928 • Todmorden, W.Yorks

1928

53
Birth of Son Charles Ridout GREENWOOD(1930–1995)
25 May 1930 • Mytholmroyd, W.Yorks

1930

55
Death of Mother Harriet Jane CHESHIER(1855–1931)
20 Dec 1931 • Brentford, London

1931

57
Death
07 Jan 1932 • Mytholmroyd, W.Yorks

1932

57
Census 1881
24 South St, Hammersmith, London, England

Age: 6

brother robert sydney

06 Jan 1887 • Hammersmith, London, England

1887

(AGE)
Baptism
St Pauls, Hammersmith, London
Birth of Sister Amy Eliza RIDOUT(1889–)
12 Jan 1889 • Hammersmith, London, England

1889

2
Birth of Brother John Edgar RIDOUT(1890–)
22 Dec 1890 • Hammersmith, London, England

1890

3
Residence
1891 • 174 Blythe Road, Hammersmith, London, England

1891

4
Birth of Sister Marion May RIDOUT(1893–)
16 Dec 1893 • Hammersmith, London, England

1893

6
Census 1901
1901 • 26 Mardale Street, Shepherds Bush, Hammersmith, London, England

Age 14; Occ: Errand boy

1901

14
Residence
1901 • 26 Mardale Street, Shepherds Bush, Hammersmith, London, England

1901

14
Marriage
24 Dec 1910 • Fulham, London, England
Mary Adelaide SMITH

(1892–)

1910

23
Census 1911
02 Apr 1911 • 32 Westville Road, Shepherds Bush, Hammersmith, London, England

Age 24; Occ: Mason's Labourer

1911

24
Occupation
02 Apr 1911

Mason's Labourer

1911

24
Residence
02 Apr 1911 • 32 Westville Road, Shepherds Bush, Hammersmith, London, England

1911

24
Military
10 Dec 1915

Reg No: 124304; Driver in Royal Field Artillary

1915

28
Residence
10 Dec 1915 • 52 Cathnor Rd, Shephards Bush, Hammersmith, London, England

1915

28
Death of Mother Harriet Jane CHESHIER(1855–1931)
20 Dec 1931 • Brentford, London

1931

44
Death of Brother Charles John Robert RIDOUT(1874–1932)
07 Jan 1932 • Mytholmroyd, W.Yorks

1932

45
Death
Sep 1933 • Kensington, London

There is this Robert, with brother and father both called Charles, born in Milton Abbas - though he seems to be a generation older than anyone who might feasibly be your grandfather:

Robert Ridout
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Robert Ridout
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: 1856
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles Ridout
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ridout
Gender: Male
Where born: Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Milton Abbas
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Blandford
Sub-registration district: Milton Abbas
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 1331
Folio: 37
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Ridout 41
Elizabeth Ridout 41
John Ridout 18
Charles Ridout 14
Mary Ridout 7
Robert Ridout 5
William Ridout 3
Herbert Ridout 3/12


Robt Ridout
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Robt Ridout
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: 1856
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Milton Abbas Dorset England
Civil Parish: Milton Abbas
Town: Milton Abbot
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Blandford
Sub-registration district: Milton Abbas
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 1976
Folio: 41
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Ridout 51
Elizth Ridout 51
Charles Ridout 24
Mary Ridout 17
Robt Ridout 15 - stable boy <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
William Ridout 13
Herbert Ridout 10
Robt Vacher 56



This looks like the brother Charles in 1891 - in London:

Charles Ridout
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Charles Ridout
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1846
Spouse: Harriet Ridout
Child: Elizabeth Ridout
Herbert Ridout
Thomas Ridout
Frederick Ridout
Amy Ridout
Robert Ridout
John Ridout
Birth Place: Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Residence Place: Hammersmith, London, England
Registration district: Fulham
Sub registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, Institution or Vessel: 25a
Neighbors:
Piece: 39
Folio: 100
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Ridout 45
Harriet Ridout 36
Elizabeth Ridout 14
Herbert Ridout 10
Thomas Ridout 8
Frederick Ridout 6
Amy Ridout 2
Robert Ridout 4
John Ridout 3/12


And this would be that Robert in 1891 - also in London - but he's a butcher.
He's also a butcher in 1881, 1901, and 1911:

Robert Ridout
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Robert Ridout
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1857
Spouse: Annie Ridout
Child: Henry G Ridout
Emily Ridout
Amie B Ridout
Lilian F Ridout
Baby Ridout
Birth Place: Dorset, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
Residence Place: St Pancras, London, England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Camden Town
ED, Institution or Vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 129
Folio: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Ridout 34 - BUTCHER
Annie Ridout 33
Henry G Ridout 7
Emily Ridout 6
Amie B Ridout 4
Lilian F Ridout 2
Baby Ridout 1 Wee


His baptism:

Robert Ridout
in the Dorset, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Robert Ridout
Baptism Date: 3 Feb 1856
Baptism Place: Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Father: Charles Ridout
Mother: Elizabeth Ridout


His parents' marriage:

Charles Ridout
in the Dorset, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Charles Ridout
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: Under Age
Marriage Date: 29 Dec 1839
Marriage Place: Milton Abbas, Dorset, England
Father: John Vacher [ Elizabeth's father ]
Spouse: Elizabeth Vacher

Both of them were under age, and no father's name is given for Charles.

His birth:

RIDEOUT, ROBERT mms VACHER
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in BLANDFORD (270) Volume 05A Page 243


But there's no suggestion of middle name Sidney.

You said that he married in Todmorden in 1935.

It's been shown on this thread that the man in that marriage was Robert Stanley, not Robert Sidney, and that his father was Robert Harry, not Charles.

Are you now happy that the 1935 marriage is not that of your Robert?



You say that Charles who lived in Todmorden was Robert's brother.
Do you mean the Charles born 1874, whose 1911 census record I posted on page 1 ?

But that Charles was born in Barnes, Surrey, not Dorset.

Are you sure that is the correct Charles?


Robert was your grandfather. What was your grandmother's name, please?

Have you found your Robert on any censuses?

Thank you for your kind reply. I have now established that this is not a relative of mine. The Ridouts that are my ancestors were born in Milton Abbas area of Dorset. My grandfather Robert Sidney Ridout left Dorset as a young man and went to London and worked as a coachman. The link with Charles Ridout who lived in Todmorden, is they were brothers.
Hazel

Thomas Herbert Ridout
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Thomas Herbert Ridout
Electoral Date: 1939
Street address: 46 Cathnor Road
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hammersmith
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham, England

He's with Florence Constance.


GOLDSMITH, FLORENCE CONSTANCE mms LANGLEY
GRO Reference: 1917 D Quarter in EASTBOURNE Volume 02B Page 93


I can't see her on the 1939 Register either