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Sorry ErikaH I had missed it. Sorry.

I posted 1861 for William with his family - didn’t you see it?????

I found a site which listed old inns and keepers in Wolverhampton. Not all were listed but after trawling through for a very, very long time I found no sign of anyone called Hooper as Inn Keeper so that on the wedding records was probably a lie as was her age.
Thank you to all who helped.

Possibility

First name(s) William
Last name Hooper
Baptism year 1814
Baptism date 10 Jul 1814
Baptism place Wolverhampton, St Peter
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D1157/1/1/7
Page 147
Register type Baptism

This MAY be Sarah and children in 1841

Name: Sarah Hooper
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Hundred: North Seisdon and East Cuttlestone and South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 999
Book: 9
Folio: 27
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Hooper 20.....................NOT born in County
Mary Hooper 4
Eliza Hooper 1 9 Mo (image is 21 Months)
John Hooper 50 Miner NOT born in County


John COULD be her father-in-law, but don't include him in your tree until you can prove it

the eldest daughter

Name: Mary Hannah Hooper
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 24 Mar 1837
Baptism Place: St. Peter, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Father: William Hooper
Mother: Sarah Ann

Mother's death

Name: Sarah Ann Hooper
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: King's Norton
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 255

Just can't see a marriage for William and Sarah

If the birth record of 1839 is the right person then Eliza would have been 20 when she married and therefore under age. Thank you for your help ErikaH

1861

Name: William Hooper
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah A Hooper
Gender: Male
Where born: W'hampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Dudley
Ecclesiastical parish: Dudley
Town: Dudley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 2055
Folio: 29
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hooper 46 Licensed Victualler****************************************
Sarah A Hooper 43
Sarah A Hooper 19
Martha Hooper 12
William H Hooper 10
Norah Hooper 1
Jane Penn 24
Thomas Backer 20
Lonia Backer 12


HOOPER, WILLIAM HENRY TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 303

HOOPER, NORA KEZIA TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 127

...............all nicely tied up

HOOPER, ELIZA TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON AND SEISDON Volume 17 Page 332

HOOPER, MARTHA TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 523

HOOPER, SARAH ANN TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 473

These appear to be the births of the girls on the 1851 - whether it's the right family is anyone's guess

I’m sorry but I don’t know when he was born as I am going off the message above. According to the marriage information Eliza was of age and I know that could mean anything above 21.
Would It be possible for William to change from a coke miner to an Inn Keeper during the 8 years from the census to the wedding.?
Sorry I’m no help
I realise that although there is information on the notice of marriage regarding her father he doesn’t have had to attend the wedding so yes lies could have been told.

1861

John Greenfield Head Married Male 22 1839 Butcher -
Elisa Greenfield Wife Married Female 24 1837 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

1871
John Greenfield Head - Male 32 1839 - Worcestershire, England
Eliza Greenfield Wife - Female 31 1840 - Staffordshire, England
Martha Greenfield Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Worcestershire, England
Nora Greenfield Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Worcestershire, England

If she was really born 1839/40, she lied about being of full age when she married, so the info about the father could also be false

Birth years, please, for the girls, at least


WHEN was he an Innkeeper?

These names fit - but the occupation of William doesn't

1851
Sweet Turf, Dudley, Worcestershire & Staffordshire, England

William Hooper Head Married Male 36 1815 Coke Miner Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Ann Hooper Wife Married Female 33 1818 - -
Mary Hannah Hooper Daughter - Female 14 1837 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Eliza Hooper Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Ann Hooper Daughter - Female 9 1842 - Worcestershire, England
Martha Hooper Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Wall Heath, Staffordshire, England

When did the daughter marry? And to whom?

EDIT OK , I see it above.

Wondered if I could ask one more favour please. Could someone look on the 1851 census for the family of William Hooper and family including his daughter Eliza and maybe Sarah Ann Hooper who I think could be Eliza’s sister or maybe she was her Sister in Law. Sarah was a witness at the wedding of Eliza.
William Hooper was an Inn Keeper and lived in Bilston Street or Road, Wolverhampton.
Thank you

Many thanks for that mgnv. Very greatful.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ROBINSON Richard GREENFIELD Eliza Ann 1892 Rochdale Register Office or Registrar Attended Rochdale RM/91/63

GREENFIELD, ELIZA ANN HOOPER
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 141

Using link on https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
GREENFIELD Eliza A 1872 Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/127/256

Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)
Greenfield John Wolverhampton 6b 573
Hooper Eliza Wolverhampton 6b 573


County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Wolverhampton
Church name (Links to more information) St George
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 40434
Marriage date 6 Jul 1859
Groom forename John
Groom surname GREENFIELD
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom occupation Butcher
Groom abode Bilston Road
Bride forename Eliza
Bride surname HOOPER
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Bilston Street
Groom father forename Joseph
Groom father surname GREENFIELD
Groom father occupation Clerk
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname HOOPER
Bride father occupation Inn keeper
Witness1 Samuel JUKES
Witness2 Sarah Ann HOOPER
Notes Licence; Groom full age; Bride full age; Recorded by Richard G FISH
[Using FreeREG link on https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ ]

MMN is on the GRO site which is the source of the info posted above

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Make a note of it - it’s invaluable for births and deaths. Does not have marriages

I did get the births of the children from Lancsbmd but unfortunately for that area the surname of the mother wasn’t included. I also look at freebmd.org.uk but it only said the year of birth and I couldn’t find any other information.
Many thanks to you all for your help.

Richard Robinson
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Richard Robinson
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Eliza Am Robinson
Birth Place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Rochdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chad
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Nearer
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Neighbors:
Piece: 3834
Folio: 139
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Robinson 32 - engine maker (turner)
Eliza Am Robinson 28
Arthur Robinson 7
Harry Robinson 5
Albert Robinson 3
Frank Robinson 8/12

Use LancsBMD. FREE and EASY

Marriage of parents? :-

First name(s) RICHARD
Last name ROBINSON
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1892
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

RICHARD ROBINSON married one of these people

Harriet Minnie Enderby, >>>>>Eliza Ann Greenfield<<<<<

District Rochdale
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Volume as transcribed 8E
Page number 99
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

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