Genealogy Chat

Many thanks ErikaH for all the information. It will take me some time to read through it and digest.
The parents of Margaret Alice Woan who married Isaac Fryer were Robert Woan and Alice Ann nee Green. The Robert Woan born in 1890 was her brother.
They were both my grandfather’s cousins.
Also many thanks to all the other people who have helped.
I am grateful.

Baptism: 23 Feb 1890 St Matthew, Preston, Lancashire, England
Robert Woan - [Child] of Robert Woan & Alice Ann
Abode: 4 Skeffington Road South
Occupation: Police Constable
Baptised by: J. Pimblett
Register: Baptisms 1883 - 1899, Page 94, Entry 752
Source: LDS Film 1471021

Baptism: 26 May 1887 St Matthew, Preston, Lancashire, England
Florence Woan - [Child] of Robert Woan & Alice Ann
Abode: Cemetery Rd
Occupation: Police Constable
Baptised by: J. Pimblett
Register: Baptisms 1883 - 1899, Page 52, Entry 411
Source: LDS Film 1471021

Baptism: 22 Dec 1878 St Mary, Preston, Lancashire, England
Margaret Anne Woan - [Child] of Robert Woan & Alice Anne
Abode: 6 James St.
Occupation: Spinner
Baptised by: J. Pimblett
Register: Baptisms 1857 - 1879, Page 279, Entry 2230
Source: Original register held at Lancashire Archives

Baptism: 15 Nov 1882 St Mary, Preston, Lancashire, England
Isabella Woan - [Child] of Robert Woan & Alice Ann
Abode: 29 Salmon St.
Occupation: Oiler
Baptised by: Thomas H. Davies
Register: Baptisms 1879 - 1885, Page 104, Entry 828
Source: Original register held at Lancashire Archives

Baptism: 25 Sep 1884 St Matthew, Preston, Lancashire, England
Grace Woan - [Child] of Robert Woan & Alice Ann
Abode: Tennyson Road
Occupation: Spinner
Baptised by: James Pimblett
Register: Baptisms 1883 - 1899, Page 16, Entry 122
Source: LDS Film 1471021

Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%)

GREEN Alice Ann Preston 8e 738
WOAN Robert Preston 8e 738

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
WOAN Margaret Alice GREEN 1878 Trinity Preston TR/3/32
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
WOAN Isabella GREEN 1882 Trinity Preston TR/13/9
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1884
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
WOAN Grace GREEN 1884 Trinity Preston TR/17/88
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
WOAN Florence GREEN 1887 Trinity Preston TR/24/94
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
WOAN Robert GREEN 1890 Trinity Preston TR/32/38

For what it's worth, I thnk the 1909 death for Richard Woan is the one born to the Woan/Heaton marriage

The 1911 census shows a child aged 4, which would match the illegitimate birth in 1907

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
WOAN Richard 1 1909 North Preston Preston NP/10/52

Same district as death

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1908
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
WOAN Richard HEATON 1908 North Preston Preston NP/12/82

The 1907 birth was in WEST Preston

If anyone wants to try and work out connections, this previous thread on the Woan family might be useful? https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1374699

Speculating somewhat...................

Name: Elizabeth Woon
Death Age: 52
Birth Date: abt 1887
Registration Date: Oct 1939
[Nov 1939]
[Dec 1939]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 491

1911

Name: Robert Woan
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 67 Worth Road Preston
Occupation: Cabinet Making
Registration district: Preston
Registration District Number: 476
Sub-registration district: East Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 25269
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Fryer 33
Margaret Alice Fryer 32
William Robert Fryer 13
George Fryer 11
Maria Fryer 8
Alice Ann Fryer 6
Lilian Fryer 3
Robert Woan 21


He joined up in 1915 - unmarried - working for Isaac Fryer's company

1901

Name: Robert Woan
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Alice A Woan
Birth Place: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3943
Folio: 61
Page Number: 27
Household schedule number: 184
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Woan 42
Alice A Woan 42
Isabella Woan 18
Grace Woan 16
Robert Woan 11***************************
Isaac Fryer 24
Margaret A Fryer 22
William Fryer 3
George Fryer 1

You said that the father of the two boys died in1942 - if you check the following info carefully, I think you'll agree this is a different man

Name: Robert Woan
Death Date: 2 Nov 1942
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Probate Date: 28 Dec 1942
Probate Registry: Lancaster, England

Address at time of death: 13, Waverley Road, Preston

Probate to Margaret Alice Fryer, widow
Effects £169.0s 5d

1939
109 Preston Old Road, Blackpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Isaac Fryer 12 Jun 1877 Male Company Director Married 98 1
Margaret A Fryer 12 Nov 1879 Female Unpaid Household Duties Married 98 2
Lilian Porter (Fryer) 24 Jan 1908 Female Buyer, Carpets & Furniture Single 98 3
Elsie Birchill (Gold?) 21 Oct 1909 Female Domestic Servant Single 98 4

Marriage
Name: Margaret Alice Woan
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1879
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Jul 1897
Parish: Preston, St Saviour, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Isaac Fryer
Spouse Age: 20
Father: Robert Woan
Spouse Father: Isaac Fryer


1939

13 Waverley Road, Preston C.B., Lancashire, England
Richard Woodacre 11 Jul 1888 Male Cotton Powerloom Overlooker Married 241 1
Margaret E Woodacre 19 May 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 241 2
Robert Woan 15 Jan 1890 Male Wood Working Machinist Heavy Work Single 241 3*******************Note marital status and occupation

The father’s name on the 1912 baptism may be an error. There is only one Woan/Heaton marriage which pre-dates the baptism, and there is no marriage for a Peter Woan before 1963

Which of the people you name is actually related to you?

One assumes you have a direct connection somewhere

Use that person’s proven data as your starting point

Baptism: 7 Aug 1887 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Heaton - [Child] of Roger Heaton & Elizabeth
Abode: Spa Rd
Occupation: Fruiterer
Baptised by: W. Vaughan
Register: Baptisms 1875 - 1889, Page 533, Entry 183
Source: LDS Film 93992

Thanks for that Rambling. I’ll look further into this as it looks promising.
Just wondered if Elizabeth is back with her family but wonder where her husband is.
If Robert s her husband and she has been married for 3 years then she did get married in 1908 and it was just their children that wasn’t theirs.
As I say I’ll look into it further.
Kim

Roger Heaton and Elizabeth Taylor married 1872, Elizabeth bn 1887
HEATON, ELIZABETH TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 651

? Elizabeth, "married 3 years 2 children born 2 died"

1911 Census For England & Wales
36 Spa Road Preston, Preston, Lancashire, England

L
Rodger Heaton Head Married Male 59 1852 Fruiterer Blackpool Lanc
Elizabeth Heaton Wife Married Female 57 1854 - Yorkshire Chadburn
James Heaton Son Single Male 21 1890 Clerk Biscuit Factorie Preston Lanc
Frank Heaton Son Single Male 18 1893 Assistant Fruitere Preston Lanc
Roger Heaton Son Single Male 15 1896 Timekeeper Son W Rly Preston Lanc
Joseph Heaton Son Single Male 13 1898 No Occupation Preston Lanc
Lawrence Heaton Son Single Male 11 1900 School Preston Lanc
Elizabeth Woan Boarder Married Female 24 1887 Manageress Factory Preston Lanc <<<<<<

Thank you for that. I’m sorry that I’ve put you all to the trouble of looking this up for me. Peter Roland’s father is Peter and not Robert so I have the wrong family completely.
I will start again.
Once again sorry for the trouble.
Kim

For address in 1912 in case they were there 1911 ( not read through)

Peter Roland
Last name Woan
Birth year -
Baptism year 1912
Baptism date 09 Feb 1912
Baptism place Preston, St Paul
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Blackburn
Residence 9 Lord Street
Father's first name(s) Peter
Father's occupation Brewer
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Lancashire Record Office
Archive reference PR 2973/1/5
Register type Baptisms
Register year range 1902-1918

I’ve looked on the freebmd.org.uk and Family Search. I can find Robert and his parents plus christening date on Family search but nothing else.
I’m sorry that the birth date for Elizabeth is only a guess 1890c. I think I would be better getting the marriage certificate for Robert and Elizabeth then I would have a better idea.
Thanks to you both for trying to help

How do you know Elizabeth’s birth year?

Can’t see any of them in 1939 at the moment

Thanks for that Greyghost but the family in the 1911 census isn’t mine. Thanks for trying.