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Is there a free site i can look at marriage records from around 1885 in Perth, Perthshire. Also is the 1911 census available cant see it on Ancestry. Searching a John Murphy b 1864 he is with family in 1881 age 17, he has a daughter Ann b 1888 in 1891 census living with her grandparents Thomas and Ann although listed as their child, by 1901 she is listed as grandchild.

Thank you

For 1911 you need Scotlandspeople - Ancestry does not have it.

IGI has various records - check out their coverage?

Where was John Murphy born and living, and names of other family members?

Who does Ann say her parents are on birth, marriage or death certificates?

Added:
Were all the Murphy family born in Ireland, and living there before 1881 census?

How do you know that Ann is his daughter, not one of his sisters?

On the 1891 census that you quote, Ann's 'occupation' has been transcribed as 'weeks'
Could this actually refer to her age - that she is 3 weeks old at the 1891 census, so actually born in 1891 - which, I think, fits in with the 1901 that you also mention?

Thanks for your replies, i cant see the transcribed census but thanks for that note, John was born in Ireland 1864 son of Thomas Murphy and Ann Malley siblings Mary1866,Catherine1867,Ann 1873 Michael 1870, 1881 census Perth they are all together by 1891 John is gone, i know Michael emigrated to Aust, thats why i thought the child Ann b 1888/91 was Johns daughter but as you say could be daughter of Catherine or Mary if they did not marry.

I do not know any of the details of Ann b 1873 marriage etc only she is listed with her father in 1901 and Rae children.

Yes all children born in Ireland have the records, 1881 would be the first census.

I have recently tried to log into the IGI site but i must have registered many years ago and dont have pass details, it wont let me use the site says i must register on phone.

Can you re-register using a new username and password, or ask for new password to be sent if same email account?

You can pay on scotlandspeople to see census details.

This is from free search of scotlandspeople, you would have to buy credits for full information:

Marriage Ann Murphy John Rae 1893 282/4 166
St Andrew (Dundee)

If John shows as age 17 in 1881 then he could have been born in 1864 or 1863.
If he went to Australia OR America, then there are a lot of Irish John Murphys to sort out.
Have you tried to find his birth, or other information on his family from Ireland?
The more accurate you get the starting information, the more likely to follow and find him.

You probably have these - but posting for our reference:

John Murphy
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: John Murphy
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship: Son
Father's name: Thomas Murphy
Mother's name: Ann Mailley
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil Parish: Perth Middle Church
County: Perthshire
Address: 47 Meal Vennel
Occupation: Lab.
ED: 26
Household schedule number: 11
Line: 19
Roll: cssct1881_110
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Murphy 42
Ann Mailley 30
John Murphy 17 - son
Mary Murphy 15 - daughter
Catherine Murphy 14 - daughter
Michael Murphy 11 - son
Ann Murphy 8 - daughter


Annie Murphy
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Annie Murphy
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship: Daugh (Daughter)
Father's name: Thos Murphy
Mother's name: Ann Murphy
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil Parish: Perth East Church
Town: Perth
County: Perthshire
Address: 12 Barossa St
Occupation: Servant
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 188
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_117
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Murphy 50
Ann Murphy 45
Michael Murphy 18 - son
Annie Murphy 16 - daughter
Cath Murphy 21 - daughter
Ann Murphy 3 - daughter



Catherine Murphy
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: Catherine Murphy
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 16 Dec 1867
Birth Place: Louisburgh, Mayo, Ireland
Baptism Place: Louisburgh, Mayo, Ireland
Father: Thomas Murphy
Mother: Anne Malley
FHL Film Number: 101163

John Murphy
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: John Murphy
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1864
Birth Place: Louisburgh, Mayo, Ireland
Father: Thomas Murphy
Mother: Anne Malley
FHL Film Number: 101088


Ann Rae
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Ann Rae
[Ann Murphy]
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Spouse's name : John Rae
Father's name: Thomas Murphy
Gender: Female
Where born: Perth, Perthshire
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil Parish: Perth Middle Church
County: Perthshire
Address: 199 South St
ED: 30
Household schedule number: 194
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1901_126
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Murphy 64
Annie Murphy 10 - Perth, grandchild
John Rae 33 Perth, son-in-law
Ann Rae 28 - Perth, daughter
Mary Rae 4 - Dundee, grandchild
Michael J Rae 2 - Glasgow, grandchild

1911 - basic info from free search on SP - you'd need to buy credits to view the actual document for details:

RAE
MICHAEL J M
1911
M
12
387/ 32/ 15
Perth
Perth


RAE
MARY W
1911
F
14
387/ 32/ 15
Perth
Perth


RAE
ANN
1911
F
39
387/ 32/ 15
Perth
Perth


RAE
JOHN
1911
M
36
387/ 32/ 15
Perth
Perth

MURPHY
JOHN
MARSHALL
JESSIE
1885
336/ 9
Callander

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This Scottish marriage in 1885 John would be aged 21/22 .

Thanks for all your replies, i was trying to assist the granddaughter of John Murphy b 1864 Co Mayo emigrated to Aus. we do know the exact place of birth as Thomas Murphy's brother has family still there today. Her grandfather John emigrated and she was looking for any information on his siblings left in Scotland.

I will pass on the above.

Thank you

ArgyllGran has put
'Annie Murphy in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Annie Murphy Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship: Daugh (Daughter)
Father's name: Thos Murphy Mother's name: Ann Murphy
Gender: Female Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 387 Registration district: Perth
Civil Parish: Perth East Church Town: Perth County: Perthshire
Address: 12 Barossa St Occupation: Servant
ED: 3 Household schedule number: 188 Line: 11 Roll: CSSCT1891_117
Thos Murphy 50
Ann Murphy 45
Michael Murphy 18 - son
Annie Murphy 16 - daughter
Cath Murphy 21 - daughter
Ann Murphy 3 - daughter'

As I already pointed out Ann Murphy has occupation as 'weeks' and my suggestion that she is 3 weeks old, not 3 years old, so born in 1891 not 1887/1888, and indeed shows in 1901 census as age 10 and grandchild.

Thanks, Patchem.

I had meant to refer to your previous info on my post at the time, but forgot.
Was just copy/pasting the census as transcribed on Ancestry.