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It's not an army record, Ian.
It's a workhouse discharge record.

Here's her admission record:

Elizth Burnside
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: Elizth Burnside
Admission Age: 25
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date: 1873
Admission Date: 7 Jul 1898
Admission Place: Greenwich, Woolwich, London, England

She was discharged at her own request. It doesn't say she was in the infirmary, but as she was only there for one day, that may be the case.

I think this is her:

Elizabeth Burnside
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Burnside
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Froner [Ironer]
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: Kidbrooke
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Kidbrooke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Charlton
ED, institution, or vessel: Brook Hospital

I think her occupation says "Collar ironer, hospital" - though "collar" has been scored out.

She's single.

Wow that's not great. Is there any mention of her youngest sister Theresa Ann (born Woolwich 1878) or her mother Margaret Burnside (born Ireland 1840)

Her stay in the infirmary would fit this birth, which I think has been posted before:

BURNSIDE, WINIFRED MAY -
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1308

Theresa Ann is Thirza in one of the censuses.

???

Theresa Anne Burnside
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Theresa Anne Burnside
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 2243
Records on Page:
Name
Theresa Anne Burnside
Herbert W Chasteauneuf



Sadly the marriage didn't last long:

Herbert W Chasteauneuf
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Herbert W Chasteauneuf
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 33
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 703


Herbert William Chasteauneuf
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name: Herbert William Chasteauneuf
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: 1 Dec 1906
Burial or Cremation Date: 6 Dec 1906
Burial or Cremation Place: Greenwich, London, England

Theresa later remarried:

Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
Barton George Chasteauneuf Ticehurst 2b 248
CHASTEAUNEUF Theresa A Barton Ticehurst 2b 248


Birth of a daughter from the first brief marriage:

CHASTEAUNEUF, IRENE MARGARET mms BURNSIDE
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1257

The daughter Irene in 1911:

Irene Chasteauneuf
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Irene Chasteauneuf
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Nurse Child (Nurse)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Plumstead, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Plumstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 43 Park Rd, Plumstead, Kent S E
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration District Number: 30
Sub-registration district: Plumstead West
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 2899
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Cox 63
Irene Chasteauneuf 4

That's true but the Chasteauneuf family seem to have been quite established in Woolwich so it may have brought some money into the family. I can't find a second marriage for Theresa or indeed any marriage at all for Elizabeth. Winifred May's birth was registered in September qtr of 1898. I wonder if Elizabeth had entered the Workhouse in July 1898 because she was pregnant.

Irene's marriage:

Marriages Sep 1934 (>99%)
Chasteauneuf Irene M Rae Milton 2a 3657
Rae James W Chastessaf Milton 2a 3657



Irene M Rae
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Irene M Rae
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1907
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Swale, Kent, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 13
Sub Schedule Number: 5
Enumeration District: DJVN
Registration district: 61-1
Household Members:
Name
This record is officially closed.
Irene M Rae

Also in that household, though not transcribed all together on Ancestry:

Margaret Chasteauneuf, 29 Jan 1910,married.
Peter Chasteauneuf, 5 April 1935.

In order on the list, they are:
A closed record; Margaret; Peter; a closed record; Iirene; a closed record

Yes, that's what I meant - I think Elizabeth was Winifred's mother.

And re Theresa's second marriage in 1912 - it's posted above, at 21:04 .

Re those Chasteauneufs with Irene in 1939:

Births Jun 1935 (>99%)
Chasteauneuf Peter (mms Reynolds) Milton 2a 1784


Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)
Chasteauneuf Herbert T E Reynolds Milton 2a 3181
Reynolds Margaret K Chasteauneuf Milton 2a 3181

Elizabeth's mother Margaret:

Margaret Burnside
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Margaret Burnside
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation to Head: Wife Mother (Mother-in-law)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 52 Jackson Street
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Neighbors:
Piece: 564
Folio: 49
Page Number: 11
Household schedule number: 78
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Kettleband 31
Florence Kettleband 7
Herbert Kettleband 4
Margaret Burnside 60 - retired laundress

At the same address, but a different household, there's the family we've had already on your other thread (I think, without looking back at it):

John Burnside, 30, examiner of small arms ammunition
Ellen J, wife,29
Cecilia V, 4 months, daughter.



Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
BURNSIDE Margaret Woolwich 1d 1260
Kettleband Alfred Henry Woolwich 1d 1260


birth of young Herbert:

KETTLEBAND, HERBERT WILLIAM BERNARD mms BURNSIDE
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1253

also births of two daughters:

KETTLEBAND, FLORENCE MARY WINIFRED BURNSIDE
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1269

KETTLEBAND, WINIFRED FLORENCE MARY BURNSIDE
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1230


Winifred died in infancy:

KETTLEBAND, WINIFRED MARY FLORENCE 0
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 652

Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
Burnside Margaret 66 Woolwich 1d 748

As Elizabeth Burnside was working at Brook Hospital in 1901, I think this is probably Theresa Ann, also at Brook Hospital.
She's listed just above Elizabeth on the document:


Amelia Theresa Burnside
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Amelia Theresa Burnside
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Froner [ Ironer ]
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Kidbrooke
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Kidbrooke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Charlton
ED, institution, or vessel: Brook Hospital
Neighbors:
Piece: 563
Folio: 150
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 1

Yes Margaret Kettleband was the sister of Elizabeth and Theresa. It is interesting though to hear you say that the Kettlebands and John Angus Burnside and Family both lived at the same address.in 1901 (52 Jackson Street) This is another link for me to establish that John (Angus) Burnside is the same as John Burnside born Woolwich 1870 9no middle game given) because he would have been living here at the same address as his sister and mother.

Theresa in the workhouse in 1911 - so her husband couldn't have been one of the moneyed Chasteauneufs you mentioned:

Theresa Anne Chasteauneuf
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Theresa Anne Chasteauneuf
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Woolwich, Kent
Civil Parish: Minster
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Isle Of Thanet Union Workhouse, Minster Near Ramsgate
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Laundress
Registration district: Thanet
Registration District Number: 63
Sub-registration district: Minster
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 4482

I couldn't find Theresa in the 1911 census only Irene who was being looked after by a Sarah Cox. I wonder if she had been abandoned by the family after Herbert;s death but they were prepared to pay for the upkeep of the child.

You say ‘ Lucy Flannery disappears’

Did you give any consideration to the possible death I posted?

Ian-
re "Lucy Flannery disappears" -

bear in mind that she was probably only visiting the Burnsides, and just happened to be with them on the night of the 1871 census.

In other census years she would likely be at home in Ireland, and therefore won't show up on censuses.

However, I don't see her birth or marriage , as either Flannery or Ryan, on Ancestry, FS, or irishgenealogy.ie.
Can't see Margaret's birth/baptism either.

Is John Burnside's birth on irishgenealogy? He was born in 1838 in Belly Bushmills Antrim. before enlisting in 1857 aged 19. He was transferred to 11 Battalion in 1858.