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On marriage records you have references eg. Volume, Page & Entry number. Will these numbers be identical for both the wife and husband. I thought I had found a match for a married couple but the Line Numbers are different.

They should be the same, unless there is a mistranscription

You should be seeing something like this. from freebmd

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)
Baker Frederick John Chelsea 1a 545
Copas Mary Ann A Chelsea 1a 545 <<<<<<
Crabb Louisa Mary Chelsea 1a 545
KEATING Daniel Chelsea 1a 545 <<<<<

Yes they will,,,,,,but it can apply to more than one couple if their event fell inline with another couple and took place in that registration district,although their marries may have taken place on different days and different venues.and been a few miles apart.

example,,,,,,,,
June 1900.
Smith John,,,,7a---64,
Brown Amy...7a,,, 64,
Jones Jim,,,,,,7a,,,, 64.
Green Jack,,,7a,,,, 64,

Is this what your enquiry is about.?

In later year GRO indexing it shows the surname of the spouse,

If you aren’t sure who married who then if it’s before 1911 then look on the next census to see who is the spouse of the male

You can order a marriage certificate just giving one name and the reference numbers for that person if you are not sure of who they married.

Kath. x

In fact it is often best to use only one of the names when ordering ............

and do remember that the names and all other information has to be EXACTLY the same as GRO has in their Register.

If you cite both names and one is spelled incorrectly even though it is the correct certificate, GRO will not send it.

Thanks for all the inputs.
This is my problem, I have the marriage certificate of Benjamin Davies & Elizabeth
Jones dated 23/12/1858 Ref Cardigan11b 13 and they are on the 1871 census with their children Mary 9, Ester 8 & Owen 6 and I know these are my relatives. However Benjamin was a widower and I am trying to find info on his 1st Marriage.

On the previous 1861 census I again have Benjamin Davies & Elizabeth Jones with 3 children John 9, David 8 & Joshua 5. These are all older than their marriage so assume they came from Benjamin's previous marriage.

Now this is where the problem is, I have a marriage record of a Benjamin Davies getting married to Jane Thomas nee Evans 12/9/1850 and she was a widower and also have their individual records but they do not match. Benjamin's ref. is 27 49 17 whilst Jane is 27 49 2 . She also had at least one son called Joshua which ties up with one of the above children Slight deviation Benjamin had changed from a coal miner to a labourer. So this is where I am presently stuck.

Forgot to mention most revolve around Cardiganshire Wales. Mainly Cardigan &,Llandygwydd.

Have you tried looking on the gro site for births of the children. This would give mmn

This seems to be the baptism of one of the children

John Davies
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1852
Baptism Place: Llangorwen,Cardigan,Wales
Father: John Davies
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 105173


Maybe it’s a different family

And ?

David Davies
Registration Year: 1853
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Cardigan
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cardiganshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 2

DAVIES, DAVID DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in CARDIGAN Volume 11B Page 15

Below looks to relate here...

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1380295

Chris :)

There is another thread about this family in addition to the one highlighted by Chris

Marriages Sep 1850 (>99%)

Davies
Benjamin

Cardigan
27
49

THOMAS
Jane

Cardigan
27
49

They both seem to carry the same index as per----freebdm.

The son Joshua who is aged 5 in the 1861 census seems to have the mother's maiden name Evans, so the above marriage mentioned by Kay would seem to fit.

On the marriage to Elizabeth Jones in 1858, does Benjamin name his father? If so you could ring the GRO and say that you would like the marriage certificate to Jane Thomas but only if the father's name is correct.

Kath. x

(yes, Father was John Davies, Shoemaker. Both Marriage details posted on other 'Thread' link above)

Chris :)

Marriages Sep 1850

This is how it is written in the GRO original indexes ,then it Roman numerals was used,

Davies
Benjamin
Cardigan
XXVII
49.

Davies
Benjamin
Cardigan
XXVII
49

For ref those helping the image for 1858 marriage is on FMP as mentioned on other thread

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS/M/876010165/1

1850, father shoemaker as previously Benjamin's signature looks to be the same (slanted)

Benjamin
Last name Davies
Age Full
Birth year -
Event year 1850
Banns year -
Marriage year 1850
Marriage date 12 Sep 1850
Marriage place Llandygwydd
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Davies
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Thomas
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's birth year -
Spouse's father's last name Evans
Spouse's father's first name(s) David
County Cardiganshire
Country Wales
Event Marriage
Page 43



https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS/M/876013070/1

I notice that the marriage image below it is for one Owen Jones, ( father or brother of Elizabeth) who is a witness on the second marriage for Benjamin.

The other thread, to which I made reference

Couldn't C&P before..................

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1380265