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I think this may be the case Erika. I am ordering her marriage certificate and that will give me an answer one way or the other.

Thanks again.

Having returned belatedly to this thread, I would certainly think that the facts as posted indicate that Mary's father was definitely James

Thank you so much.

Please do post again on this thread when you're ready.

We're all happy to help!

I don't have the certificate ArgyllGran. I am only up to that point with her children, and am in the process of sending off for it. So until then, I am at a standstill.

So, it proves that old adage, don't believe everything your family tells you!

Thank you, Erika and Maddie again for all your help.

As soon as I have concrete evidence I can go forward. May I call on you again when I know what I am doing?

Best Wishes.

Do you have Mary Ann's birth cert (or any other document - marriage?) stating that her father was Samuel?

There were lots of Mary Ann Greens born in London c1854.

But if you're sure the 1861 census shows the correct family, then her father was James - at least that's the only marriage for a Sarah Hunt to a Green , in London, 1837-50

Oh wow. Thank you so much Maddie and ArgylleGran. As we are told, I am working backwards from Mary Ann. So have no definite details without certificates etc, but this certainly has given me more information to get cracking on.

I shall work on this new info, and see what I can find out, to go further back.

Thank you both once again for your help. Much appreciated.

edit. sorry Maddie did not see you asking about Samuel. I have him as being born 1816, Islington, but no further details.

edit. again, I have misread your post ArgyleGran, I have the Mary Ann etc as the children of Samuel, not James Green. So I don't know if this is wrong now. The dates of birth seems right, but maybe I am up a gum tree!

IF he did not return this May be him

aged about 60
free of servitude
death natural causes -- english cholora

inquest
Samuel Green
Australia, Tasmania, Miscellaneous Records, 1829-2001
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Name:
Samuel Green
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Event Type:
Inquest
Event Date:
27 Jun 1871
Event Place:
Tasmania, Australia

James
Last name Green
Name note -
Marriage year 1841
Marriage date 07 Apr 1841
Marriage place Shoreditch
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah Ann
Spouse's last name Hunt
County London
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

???

Death:
GREEN, JAMES 44
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 179

Are we thinking that James was aka Samuel ??

Mary A Green
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary A Green
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: 1855
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Sarah Green
Gender: Female
Where born: Holloway, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 126
Folio: 11
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Green 36 - widow, birthplace unknown
Eliza Green 14
Emma Green 12
Annie Green 9
Mary A Green 6
James Green 4
Catherine Green 1
James Carpenter 35 - boarder
Robert Minton 25 - nephew, married
Jane Minton 18 - niece, married




GREEN, MARY ANN mms HUNT
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT Volume 01B Page 239

GREEN, ANN mms HUNT
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT Volume 01B Page 203

GREEN, JAMES mms HUNT
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT Volume 01B Page 231

GREEN, KATHERINE mms HUNT
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 295

ancestry links these births to the 1861 census
Name: Eliza Green
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Mar 1847
Baptism Place: Islington St Mary, Islington, England
Father: James Green
Mother: Sarah Green

Name: Emma Green
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1849
Marriage Date: 22 Jun 1874
Marriage Place: St Barnabas, Hornsey Road, Islington, England
Father: James Green
Spouse: Charles Blanche

Name: Mary Ann Green
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1854
Baptism Place: Islington St Mary, Islington, England
Father: James Green
Mother: Sarah Green

do you want to post the details of samuels family

A bit sketchy Erika.

My link is his daughter Mary Ann b. 1854. He has two elder daughters, so maybe married between 1845-47. I am working from the 1861 Census for the family living at 4 Chapel Place. Islington. Wife is named as Sarah.

I could be linking a different Samuel, it is a common name.

edit. Logging off for the night. Will not be back on til tomorrow sometime. Thanks.

When and where did he marry?

Thanks Maddie. That is a curve ball. I will have to go further into this. My Samuel, according to my research, was back in London, with a family in 1846. So maybe I need to recheck. Thanks for your time.

Yes, thanks for a nod in the right direction ErikaH. Fortitude was a prison hulk, it didn't sail anywhere! So yes, Samuel would be back in London after his sentence. I had no idea.

I do appreciate information given by all of you.

Samuel Green

in the Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868
View Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868

Name: Samuel Green
Vessel: Moffatt
Convicted Date: 28 Nov 1836
Voyage Date: 7 Nov 1837
Colony: Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land)
Place of Conviction: Old Bailey, London, England

I Think his return is too early for immigation records

Will do. Thanks again.

Loads of info about transportation if you google

Oooh thank you all so very much for taking the time to look this gentleman up.

I am assuming this is the same. When they were deported did they have transport back? I know very little about being transported.

He is back in London by 1846 and married.

I appreciated you answering. Thank you.