Genealogy Chat

Oh ok

I just did a google and it came up with the ref I posted
Didn’t say it was USA

I was of the mind that it was only males over 21 in the 1930,s

Thank you

I think your Wikipedia quote refers to the USA, Shirley?

Re English juries:

The jury had always been a socially exclusive institution, and historically people had to own land of a particular value in order to qualify. Until 1919, women were automatically disqualified from serving on trial juries, and even after this date local prejudices had the effect of keeping women off the jury. The fact few women satisfied the property qualifications until they were abolished in the 1970s also served to heavily restrict the number of women eligible for jury service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juries_in_England_and_Wales

The j indicates he is eligible for jury service not that he did act as one

In the 1930 it was only men over 21 who usually served

Info
Even though women were able to serve on juries starting in 1898, women were able to seek exemption from jury duty and they did not regularly serve on juries until the 1930s. In 1920, when the Nineteenth Amendment granted women's suffrage, the push for jury rights in the remaining states increased.
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Today I called at the local reference library to see if Robert Rigby lived in Hartington Road in 1935 and he did. I noticed by the side of his name there was a J which according to the index means he was a juror. It made it sound like it was an occupation but I can’t find out how they decided who was to be a juror.
On the 1939 register it was stated he was a retired grocer but was only 57 so he must have made a good living. He died in 1968 aged 87.

Just out of curiosity I met my husband to be in the Old Black Bull. We were married for 57 years and he passed away last year.
I bet it can tell all sorts of stories both good and bad.
Thank you all for your input.

There is a story about a gentleman(?) being thrown out of that pub 3 times for being drunk. He thought he had been in 3 different pubs as he went in at a different entrance each time.

I’ve found Mary (May) on the Lancs.bmd for 1887.
I notice that when Richard married Martha, Richards father John is listed as a publican. John was the landlord of the Old Black Bull from 1875-1877. The pub is still up and running.
Haven’t yet found where he moved to from here but have found the following.

Sir, Having heard that it is circulated among the farmers, &c.,
of this neighbourhood that the disease in horses called 'Farcy'
has been in my stables, and having been asked if they were free
from it now, and as it is calculated to injure my business, I shall
thank you to state in your next issue that the disease was in the
Bull Hotel Stables, Church Street, and not the Black Bull Inn, Friargate.

JOHN MAYOR
Black Bull Inn, Friargate. January 26th 1876

Below is the advert for when John Mayor bought the pub. All very interesting.

THE OLD BLACK BULL INN" FRIARGATE
Near Lune Street, one of the oldest, best-known, and frequented Public-
houses in Preston, with commanding frontage on the main thoroughfare,
close to the Central and other Markets, and with two valuable back-entrances
from Lune Street and Hill Street respectively, handsome, plate-glass fronted
spirit vault, well-appointed Bar, Snug, Smoke-rooms, large Club Room, and
other trade requirements, extensive Stabling, capital Brewhouse and other
appurtenances and every accessory of a large and lucrative business.
BY H.C.WALTON at his Sale Rooms on Monday 14th September 1885
at 3 o'clock afternoon.
Preston Chronicle 12th September 1885
*

Try the following sites

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

From the latter site

Marriage: 2 Sep 1862 St Mary, Penwortham, Lancashire, England
John Mayor - full, Game Keeper, Bachelor, Hutton
Elizabeth Webster - full, Spinster, Penwortham
Groom's Father: James Mayor, Farmer
Bride's Father: Richard Webster, Joiner
Witness: Richard Mayor; Dinah Webster
Married by Licence by: T. R. Finch
Register: Marriages 1857 - 1885, Page 73, Entry 146
Source: LDS Film 1526058


Marriage: 8 Aug 1886 Victoria Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Cheetham, Lancashire, England
Richard Mayor - 21, Clerk, Bachelor, 20 Storey Court, Preston
Martha Elizabeth Forshaw - 19, Dress Maker, Spinster, Lord Street, Cheetham
Groom's Father: John Mayor, Publican
Bride's Father: Henry Forshaw, Gentleman
Witness: Thomas Harrison; Thomasina C. Eddy
Married by Licence by: Geo. Scott, Minister, in the presence of the Registrar
Register: Marriages 1885 - 1895, Entry 31
Source: LDS Film 2357169

Looks like mary was registered as May

MAYOR, MAY FORSHAW
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 638

Looked at birth records and see that the parents of Richard born 1866 were John Mayor and Elizabeth Webster who married 1862. Penwortham, Preston.

Don’t seem to be able to find a birth for Mary born 1888 with mothers maiden name Forshaw although I can find the other children.

Thank you for that ArgyllGran. I’ve looked up Ladyman Street on the internet and see that there was a Richard Mayor landlord of the Oddfellows public house which was no. 1 or 2. William Mayor lived at no.4 so there must be some sort of relationship. I will pursue that.


1901
Richard Mayor 35 years Publican b. Hutton
Martha E. Mayor 34 Wife b. Croston
Mary Mayor 13 Daughter b. Preston
Elizabeth Mayor 11 Daughter b. Penwortham
Gertrude Mayor 8 Daughter do
John Mayor 6 Son do
Helen Mayor 1 month Daughter b. Preston

This is the family Kath mentions:

Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
MARTIN Jane Preston 8e 934
MAYOR William Preston 8e 934


William Mayor
in the 1901 England Census
Name: William Mayor
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Jane Mayor
Birth Place: Bretherton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 4 Ladyman Street
Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Piece: 3954
Folio: 172
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
William Mayor 38
Jane Mayor 39
Mary E Mayor 12
Ann Mayor 11
Thomas Mayor 6
Harry Mayor 5
Lily Mayor 2
William Mayor 5/12


William Mayor
in the 1911 England Census
Name: William Mayor
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Husband
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bretherton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 13 Euston St Preston Lancashire
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Green Grocer
Registration district: Preston
Registration District Number: 476
Sub-registration district: West Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 25315
Household Members:
Name Age
William Mayor 49
Jane Mayor 50
Annie Mayor 21
Thomas Mayor 16
Harry Mayor 13
Lily Mayor 12
William Mayor 10
Ruth Mayor 8
Samuel Mayor 6

There is a Mary Ellen Mayor born 1888 - mother's maiden name Martin, and Thomas Mayor born 1894 mother's maiden name Martin, also William Mayor born 1900 mother's maiden name Martin - all born Preston, so looks like they are brothers and sister.

Kath. x

I have a Thomas and William Mayor in my tree and they are brothers. Thomas born 1894 and William 1900. I also have a Mary Nightingale born 1904 so she could have married William. I would have to get a marriage certificate for proof.

I have several Elizabeth Nightingales as well but none seem to be a similar age to
Thomas as they are quite a bit older. I did think that brothers might have married sisters but not 100% sure.
Many thanks for the information though. It’s something I will look in to.

Just as a thought I wonder if there is any connection between the Mary E Mayor who married Rigby, and these Mayor/Nightingale marriages?

Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)
MAYOR Thomas Nightingale Preston 8e 1069
Nightingale Elizabeth Mayor Preston 8e 1069

Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%)
Mayor Mary Nightingale Preston 8e 1061
Nightingale William Mayor Preston 8e 1061

It wasn't unusual in past times for one or both witnesses to be either of the couple's parents.

The address she gave however could have been a relative or just a friend with very little connection to the family.

Your best bet, if it is possible, is to visit the nearest reference library to the address and look at the electoral register for the year of the marriage and then try to find a connection - but there may not be one if it is just a friend's house.

Kath. x

You said the occupants ‘must have been a relative ‘. Why?

Witnesses to a marriage can be literally anyone who is able to understand what they are being asked to do

It is not necessarily the chief bridesmaid.

Do you know who her bridesmaids were??

Did she perhaps have a young person?

My chief bridesmaid was my future sister-in-law, but she was under 21 at the time and the Vicar requested that my other bridesmaid signed the Register!

The witnesses were the best man who was her cousin and for some reason Harold’s mother who would be her mother in law. I find that strange as it’s usually the chief bridesmaid. They had no connection with the Rigbys.