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thanks all - I have today ordered the birth certificate of James Mudden / Madden and so I will update on here what I discover.
God bless xx

Thank you so much that’s fantastic xxx

If you're looking on FreeBMD, the surname has been mis-transcribed:

Births Sep 1837 (>99%)
Mudden James St. Giles &c St. George 1 21

The record RR posted, giving mother's maiden surname was from the GRO site.
You have to register, but it's free to use, and gives English and Welsh births (with mms) 1837-1918, and deaths (with age at death) 1837-1957

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp.

Hi Rambling Rose
I have just done a search for James Madden born 1837 but your reference above has not come up?
Please can you clarify how you came by this birth record - that would be most helpful thank you

I have just checked my records and the Patrick Madden / Marta is not them as this child died aged 10 months old in 1849
So it’s looking likely that it’s the CARLIN / CARLON family in some way connected
I have two marriage certificates / banns for Catherine to PATRICK MADDON 1833 in and patrick MADDEN to Bridget CARLON in 1836
So I’m struggling to untangle which are my GGGG grandparents and just do not know how I can solve this mystery

Help Rambling Rose
Thank you - the MCmarra is new information so thank you - I’m going to order these certificates x
I’m not sure if Bridget and Catherine were maybe sisters and are of the same surname? Given they had strong Irish accents as both appear to come from Cork this might have been a pronunciation issue ?
I wonder if it is possible to find out who was living at 8 Church lane in December in 1847 as this might reveal what other children were living there?
This might also untangle the mystery of whether these are the same or two different families?
Not sure if one can find out who was living at an address between the census though, does anyone know if this might be possible please

I can see from ticked records that I've looked before, but there is a problem this is the one with Catherine

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Barretts Court, Saint Marylebone, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England


Catharine Madden Head Widow Female 37 1814 Charwoman Cork, Cork, Ireland
James Madden Son - Male 13 1838 Errand Boy London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Madden Son - Male 11 1840 At School London, Middlesex, England
Patrick Madden Son - Male 3 1848 - London, Middlesex, England
Mary Northcot Head Widow Female 45 1806 Charwoman London, Middlesex, England
Elisa Preston Lodger Widow Female 69 1782 Governess London, Middlesex, England
Rosanna Cockett Lodger - Female 29 1822 Servant London, Middlesex, England


MADDEN, JAMES CARLIN
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in ST. GILES IN THE FIELDS AND ST. GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01 Page 21

MADDEN, PATRICK CARLON
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in ST.GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST.GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01 Page 53

But there's also

MADDEN, THOMAS MCMARA
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in ST GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01 Page 55

MADDEN, PATRICK MARRA ( Probably McMarra? )
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01 Page 230

Well done, Debra, you’ve deleted the other thread

I hope you don’t ask again about the same person/family

Thanks for your help x

Yes, but once you'd told us the names of the people you hoped to find, we inevitably tried to find them for you.

We like a challenge!

I appreciate that however this thread was about whether it was possible to trace an address - please see my op

Debra (and anyone coming to this puzzle for the first time) -

There's already been a lot of research and discussion about the Bridget/Catherine question on your other thread - link posted above by Alviegal.

Best to keep to that thread, to avoid duplication of effort by the helpers, and also for ease of seeing what's already been found or discounted.

Hello
Yes Patrick / father died New Year’s Eve of Typhoid sadly leaving wife Bridget with 3 sons.
I have found a similar family in 1851 census living in Barrett’s court but the widow is a Catherine not Bridget? But I can’t find a Bridget Madden / widow in 1851 census so I’m stumped!

Oh, bother, so it is!

I thought I was seeing the age 1, but of course it was the volume number, and the age wouldn't show on FreeBMD anyway.
Another senior moment.

Is that not the same person AG?


Thought these names were familiar.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1375150

Sadly, the son Patrick died in infancy:

Deaths Mar 1848 (>99%)
Madden Patrick St. Giles &c 1 51


His father's death:

MADDEN, PATRICK 40
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in ST GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01 Page 51

Oh my god! We’re all these families living in 8 church lane??

I believe my ancestors were Irish immigrants and I know this area of Soho was predominantly inhabited by Irish but that astonishing, I’m pretty sure thus wasn’t a huge house either?
Thank you for your help.
It’s sad that I don’t know where they moved to though.
Xx

These are the other families -

John Donovan 45
Margarett Donovan 40
James Donovan 17
Julia Donovan 14
Mary Donovan 12
Denis Donovan 10
Jeremiah Cautry 36

Denis Mahoney 30
Mary Mahoney 30
Anne Mahoney 5
Mary Mahoney 3

Batt Dacey 35
Ellen Dacey 32
John Dacy 13
Mary Dacy 10
Daniel Dacy 6
Jerry Dacy 2

Felix Sullivan 55
Catherine Sullivan 55
Margarett Sullivan 22
John Sullivan 20
Lawrence Sullivan 18
Eugene Sullivan 15
Humphrey Sullivan 28
Margarette Sullivan 25

Charles McCarthy 40
Mary McCarthy 42
Michael McCarthy 10
Timothy McCarthy 35
John Crainer 24

Patrick Cronin 45
Ellen Cronin 48
Mary Cronin 16
Michael Cronin 10
Patrick Cronin 7
Ellen Hennessy 14
Michael Hennessy 12

Johanna Barry 42
Catherine Barry 20
Robert Barry 17
Mary Barry 16
Michael Barry 12
Phillip Crowley 35

Cornelius Driscoll 45
Norry Driscoll 40
Patrick Driscoll 13
John Driscoll 10
Timothy Driscoll 7
Nelly Driscoll 5

Hello
My ancestors were living at 8 church lane on 31.12.1847 when my GG grandfather died ( JOHN PATRICK MADDEN ) leaving his wife Bridget Madden and their 3 month old son Called Patrick George Madden.
Thanks if you can tell me if they are still there in 1851 x

Who are you hoping to find?

There appear to be several families living at No. 8 Church Lane