Genealogy Chat

Jean unhelpfully gave her residence just as "Antrim"

thank you found out yesterday my grandad lived at the diamond before he was married Margaret was his sister

thanks ray

From GRONI, I had a few credits left:

William Rankin and Jean Irvine (no middle names) married 7/10/1930 at St Catherine's, Killead, Antrim by licence, church of Ireland.

Both full age, bachelor & spinster, he was a labourer, residence The Diamond, father James Rankin, labourer (deceased). Jean named her father as Robert Irvine, labourer (deceased.

Witnesses were William Courtney & Margaret Rankin, who married on the same day.

Certificates will give no further info, but the reference for ordering is M/1930/G1/2466/4/11 & Margaret's certificate ends with /10

thanks tggit I have added them to my tree with notes saying this might not be right I find irish records very confusing and also hard to find .there is also no one left to ask .



and yes Erika a know its speculative and I probably would never get 100c proof but we live in hope a am waiting for some response from other people trees to contact me they may have more insight into the Irvine family thank you both for your help .

ray merry Christmas

Jean/Jane had sisters Sarah born 1895, Margaret born 1898 and Mary Elizabeth born 1909, ,she also had brothers John born 1899, William born 1900 and Hugh born 1901.( all children of Jane Anna (nee Shannon and Robert Irvine) She also had 3 half brothers, Robert born 1877, Thomas born 1881 and James born 1883. (these 3 half brothers were the children from Robert's 1st marriage to Sarah McNeice).

This looks like the birth reg for Jean/Jane's mother Jane Anna Shannon ( a little older than recorded on census and death records):

birth 17/10/1867 Jane Anna Shannon:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03467/2273386.pdf

NOTE the mother's maiden name looks to be Macartney.

This might be where the confusion of the mother's maiden comes from (Robert thinking that he was being asked for his wife Jane's mother's maiden name and not his wife's maiden name)

All the info posted is speculative - nothing can be taken as proven until you get some certificates.

I'm not disputing that Tiggit's findings could be the right person.....................simply being realistic

tiggit
jean or jane Irvine definite had brother called William had it confirmed today .
so to get this right .
jean/jane Irvine had 3 brothers hugh William john and 1 sister mary.
mother was jane Irvine Shannon.
father Robert irvine but he was married before to sarah mcneice
would this be wright

thanks tiggit your star to put it in a context I am having problems its very confusing I will try to get my head round it all before I add it to my tree, thank you so so much for all the work you have put into this .
ray :-D

Looking at the 1901 census and the 1911 census I'm not sure that the 1898 marriage in Downpatrick for Robert and Jane that I posted earlier is correct. It states that both were single but on the 1901 census there are 3 boys (Robert aged 22, Thomas aged 18 and James aged 16 and there is quite an age difference between Robert (aged 54) and Jane (aged 30) so it looks like Jane was Robert's 2nd wife.

This looks like Robert's first marriage:
19/4/1877 Robert Irvine and Sarah McNeice

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11133/8076592.pdf


Their son Robert's birth:
12/6/1877 Bally Kennedy parents Robert and Sarah Irvine (nee McNeice) father's occ Labourer

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03014/2104108.pdf

Birth reg for Thomas:
22/8/1881 Bally Kennedy

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02819/2033987.pdf

Birth for James:
6/12/1883 Bally Kennedy

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02716/1999338.pdf


Death for Sarah (aged 34) in 1891:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06065/4729099.pdf

There is this marriage for Robert Erwin to Jane Anna Shannon (recorded Shannan) on 24/11/1893 which looks to be the Robert and Jane Irvine in the 1901 census

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10611/5865946.pdf


Looking at the birth registrations for children of Robert and Jane only 2 seem to have been registered with the mother's maiden name of Macarteney,

Sarah born 1895
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02197/1830293.pdf

and Jane in 1904

Margaret born 1898 (mother's maiden name recorded as Shannon and all others recorded below have Shannon as mother's maiden name)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02076/1792191.pdf

John born 1899:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02021/1775311.pdf

William born 1900:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01977/1761684.pdf

Hugh born 1901:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01935/1748588.pdf

Mary born 1909:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01605/1644239.pdf


Possible death for Jane Anna (aged 50) in 1921:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05107/4403583.pdf

Oh dear, you've looked at the MOTHER on the census which I posted!!

The (possible) child is listed as JENNIE - hence my comments about interchangeable names!!!!!

Until you get some documents, everything is speculation

thanks Erika and tiggit for all your work not sure on this last post from tiggit as the 1911 censes states she was 41 and she was not born until 1904 so I would of though it cant be right I could be wrong

No problem, Tiggit - you've done wonders!

Possibilites!!

There is this birth for a JANE Irvine 24th Oct 1904 (parents Robert and Jane (nee Macarteney in Antrim) (3rd one down):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01808/1708197.pdf

Possible marriage 1898 Downpatrick Robert Irvine and Jane Mccoubrey

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10404/5788496.pdf

Possible family in 1901 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dundesert/Ballykennedy/917314/

possible death for this Robert Irvine in 1910

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05422/4515291.pdf

then possibly the same family in 1911 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dundesert/Ballyhill__Upper/108434/

EDIT: Sorry Erika was working on this and had lunch break so missed your post

It would have been helpful if you'd acknowledged the info Tiggit posted on page one and said that you had all of it already

This is a LONG SHOT for 1911, bearing in mind that Jean, Jeanie, Jennie were all interchangeable.


Residents of a house 7 in Ballyhill, Upper (Dundesert, Antrim)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Irvine Jane Anna 41 Female Head of Family Presbyterian
Irvine Sarah 15 Female Daughter Presbyterian
Irvine Maggie 12 Female Daughter Presbyterian
Irvine William 10 Male Son Presbyterian
Irvine Hugh 9 Male Son Presbyterian
Irvine Jennie 6 Female Son Presbyterian
Irvine Mary Eliza 1 Female Son Presbyterian

You NEED a copy of the marriage cert for William and Jean.............try the GRONI site I gave you

Erika
your last post do have this all on my tree also found 4 people with trees with my grandmothers jean Irvine so I have contacted them fingers crossed

argyllgran
that was the info given to me William James but it was wrong everyone called him James but its not its henry that's what's on his grave sorry for the confusion his dad was James

1901 - following on from Tiggit's post, although you must consider the DATE of 1911 census

Residents of a house 2 in Ballyginniff (Seacash, Antrim)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Rankin Priscella 1 Female Daughter Church of Ireland
Rankin James 37 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland
Rankin Robert 3 Male Son Church of Ireland
Rankin Emily 27 Female Wife Church of Ireland

William Henry?
You said William James in your opening post.

Thanks for that, Ray

So.............the birth info posted earlier is probably correct for your grandfather, although there is no second forename

And you said in your original post that his second forename was James

You might be able to find your grandparents' marriage at..............

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/go-groni-online

Not free - and restricted

For data protection reasons, if you are using the internet to search the register, some of the records will not be available to view. You will be able to access the following records:

• birth records over 100 years old
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