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According to the1939 register and the transcription of her death, Evelyn was born in 1868.

Gower Evelyn 1868 1944 1944 Civil Deaths & Burials Surrey Mid Eastern, Surrey, England

Evelyn Gower 21 Jul 1868 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed


The 1911 census has her born 1873.

Evelyn Hood Visitor Widow Female 38 1873 Sheffield




Ivy Dorothy's birthdate according to the 1939 register is different to the one on the baptism record found.

Ivy D House 23 Jan 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married


Ivy Dorothy Hood
Baptism Date: 22 Apr 1894
At the end of the column is written Nov 7th 1892 which I presume was her date of birth.


Just pointing out that Evelyn especially may not have been too sure about her year of birth.

Thankyou!
Evelyn Hood definitely born 1868 married Joseph Gower 1915, died 1944 buried with him at Redstone Cemetery. Kathleen Matilda Joan House interred with them in 1965 - daughter of Ivy Dorothy House nee Hood who married Harry House - know that much. Appears to be two Ivy Hoods, Ivy Dorothy Hood (Enfield Middx) and Ivy D Hood (Dalsron) ours is Enfield one. Need to know why Kathleen interred there, relationship with Evelyn and Evelyn’s with Ivy. Evelyn’s maiden name would be vital - if she was married which I’m wondering now. Regards Maureen

What was Evelyn's age said to be on her marriage cert?

Just wondering - as Joseph was a lot older than Evelyn (born c1850 per his death record), maybe she claimed to be older than she was?? 1868 instead of 1873 - ish ?

What was Ivy's father's name per her marriage cert?

(Apologies if you've already said - having read through the thread again, I don't see it.)

Thinking aloud - maybe just a lot of coincidences, but will post them just in case:


Going back to the 1901 census where Ivy (born Dalston) is a visitor to the Sims family.
The other visitors are Emma (nee Bristow,born in Dalston) and Thomas Henry Sewell.

Thomas (Tom ??) is a horse collar maker - close to being a saddler?

Emma and Thomas Henry have a daughter Emma - born 1868 in Sheffield. (you say Evelyn was born 1868, and in 1911 she claims to be born in Sheffield).

Emma J Sewell
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Emma J Sewell
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas H Sewell
Mother's name: Emily Sewell
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 214
Piece: 601
Folio: 102
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas H Sewell 31
Emily Sewell 30
Elizabeth E Sewell 10 - Dalston
Henry Sewell 8 - Lambeth, Surrey
Frederick G G Sewell 6 - Ipswich
John G Sewell 4 - Ipswich, Suffolk
Emma J Sewell 2 - Sheffield
Thomas St A Sewell 7 Months - St Albans, Hants.


Emma Sewell
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Emma Sewell
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Thomas Sewell
Mother: Emily Sewell
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Tilehurst
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address: Englefield Road
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Bradfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 1299
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Sewell 46
Emily Sewell 40
Elizabeth Sewell 20
Emma Sewell 12
Thomas Sewell 10
William Sewell 8
Edward Sewell 6
Emily Sewell 4
Albert Sewell 3
Jane Sewell 1
Samuel Sewell
SEWELL, EMMA JANE mms BRISTOW
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 436


In the 1894 baptism of Ivy, it says her mother's name is Emma.
I don't see Emma Sewell after 1881.
Could she have changed her name to Evelyn ?? and claimed to be the wife of William Hood ??

I still don't see Ivy's birth, as Sewell or Hood, and there's no marriage of a William Hood to an Emma of any surname.
Don't see Reuben's birth either, as either Sewell or Hood.

Thank you ArgyllGran - think we may have found something! Just looked on map and there is Sheffield Bottom very close to Tilehurst, and Reading Berkshire. Equally Dalston, Stamford Hill and Enfield are very close together. Could be a link with the horse collar maker and saddler!!!
Regards Maureen

Hi again - Could Emma Sewell have gone to prison, are there any Prison Records, and changed her name on release?? Thinking this because Ivy Hood aged 8 was visiting Sims family in 1901 census, with Emily Sewell & Thomas Sewell (Visitors) - grandparents? - no mother there. Also have School Board for London, Sidney Rd School Hackney, 1900, with no parent or guardian name. On 1911 census Evelyn Hood and son Reuben Hood 8, staying with Edward James Smith widower and family Southend on Sea, but on 1891 his children were on census with no head of house - furthermore I found Edward James Smith in prison!!!
By the way Evelyn Hood gave aged 48 on marriage cert to Joseph Gower, which would tie up with her being 76 on death in 1944

You say Edward James Smith wasn't with his family in 1891 - I think you're looking at the wrong man.

Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)
Ilott Annie Hackney 1b 793
Smith Edward Hackney 1b 793

All the children have mms Ilott.

Edward J Smith
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Edward J Smith
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1858
Spouse: Annie Smith
Child: Florence Smith
Emily L Smith
Albert E Smith
Ellen B Smith
Ada L Smith
Birth Place: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Residence Place: Stratford, West Ham, Essex, England
Sub registration district: Stratford
ED, Institution or Vessel: 20
Neighbors:
Piece: 1315
Folio: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward J Smith 33
Annie Smith 32
Florence Smith 7
Emily L Smith 6
Albert E Smith 3
Ellen B Smith 1
Ada L Smith 3/12


Edward J Smith
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Edward J Smith
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Marion Smith
Birth Place: Stepney, London, England
Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: South Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors:
Piece: 1612
Folio: 113
Page Number: 14
Household schedule number: 95
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward J Smith 43
Marion Smith 35
Albert E Smith 13
Ellen B Smith 11
Ada L Smith 10
Annie C Smith 8
Kate Smith 4


And re-posting 1911:

Edward James Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edward James Smith
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stepney, London, England
Civil Parish: Prittlewell
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 17 Bournemouth Pk Rd, Southend
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Engine Driver
Registration district: Rochford
Registration District Number: 195
Sub-registration district: Prittlewell
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 297
Piece: 10142
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward James Smith 53
Ada Lily Smith 20
Kate Smith 15
Annie Smith 18
Fredick Hott 6 - nephew [Ilott]
Evelyn Hood 38
Reuben Hood 8

Emma Sewell's birthplace on 1871 census says Sheffield, Yorkshire - but maybe that's an assumption by the census clerk.

In 1881 it just says Sheffield.
Evelyn Hood's birthplace is just given as Sheffield in 1911.

For whatever it's worth, when you click on Evelyn's name in the 1911 census, Ancestry suggests that she is Emma Hood, mother of Ivy.
(Not that Ancestry's always right! Far from it.)

AG I was also thinking that Emily Bristow being born in Dalston must have some significance. Also wondered about the daughter Emma born in Sheffield.

Did not equate Thomas Henry (horse collar maker) with Tom (saddler) but it seems to make sense.

I really think you're on to something here!

Ah now this is very interesting, doesn't mention any change of name though.




READING COUNTY MAGISTRATES' OFFICE.
whereby to purchase leather to make horse collars, * -' he had spent the money in drink. He could easily earn 10s a day. Emma Jane Sewell, daughter of the complainant and defendant, gave similar evidence. , The defendant said that on the day in question
28 June 1884 - Reading Mercury - Reading, Berkshire, England


Basically Thomas Henry was an abusive drunk who beat his wife, who had had 20 children in all. He had thrown his eldest children out of the house, had assaulted his wife again and her daughter had to rescue her and take her next door. Thomas was sent to jail for 2 months and a separation was granted.

It is a long article and Thomas sounds a most unpleasant man who had put his wife and family through many years of hell. He took money off his children, made harnesses and then drank all the money away. Perhaps this would have led to Emma changing her name completely?
Her mother appears to have stayed with Thomas as they are together in 1901. How bizarre! She had not wanted him charged but she did want a separation.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Shirley Grove, Battersea, Wandsworth, London & Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Thomas Sewell Head Married Male 51 1840 Leeds Collar Maker

Emily Sewell Wife Married Female 50 1841 London, Middlesex, England -

Samuel Sewell Son - Male 10 1881 Berkshire, England -

Jane Sewell Daughter - Female 11 1880 London, Middlesex, England -

William Sewell Son - Male 18 1873 London, Middlesex, England Collar Maker

Albert V Sewell Son - Male 13 1878 London, Middlesex, England -




1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Englefield Road, Tilehurst, Bradfield, Berkshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Thomas Sewell Head Married Male 46 1835 Leeds, England Collar Maker
Transcription
Emily Sewell Wife Married Female 40 1841 Middlesex, England Wife
Transcription
Elizabeth Sewell Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Middlesex, England Machinist
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>>Emma Sewell Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Scholar
Transcription
Thomas Sewell Son Single Male 10 1871 St Albans, Hertfordshire, England Scholar
Transcription
William Sewell Son Single Male 8 1873 Middlesex, England Scholar
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Edward Sewell Son Single Male 6 1875 Middlesex, England Scholar
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Emily Sewell Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Middlesex, England Scholar
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Albert Sewell Son Single Male 3 1878 Middlesex, England Scholar
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Jane Sewell Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Middlesex, England -
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Samuel Sewell Son Single Male 0 1881 Theale, Berkshire, England

Very interesting, AG!
Yes, an excellent reason for Emma to change her name, especially as she'd been named in the newspaper.

So, I wonder where she is in 1891 and 1901?
I've been hunting for any Emma or Evelyn born c1868 Sheffield Bottom - but none look likely so far.

Emma's brother Samuel escaped to Canada.

Married Charlotte Holmes 1901 Hackney - Samuel's father's name Tom.
Had a daughter Mabel Beatrice Minnie, 1902, Hackney.
Samuel went to Canada alone 1909 - occupation saddler.
I don't see Charlotte and Mabel following him out there, but Mabel married Sidney Sharman in 1922 in Frontenac, Ontario.
Samuel and Charlotte made a visit back to the UK in 1947, and then returned to Canada the same year.
Samuel died 1951.

I'm not posting all the records, as it's not really relevant to this thread.

Emma was actually born in Sheffield, Yorkshire:

SEWELL, EMMA JANE mms BRISTOW
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 436


Emma Jane Sewell
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Emma Jane Sewell
Registration Year: 1868
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 436

Hi thanks fo all this - we may be on to something!! I found her in 1901

Emma Sewell
Census
31 Mar 1901
Matlock Bath, Derbyshire
Female
31
BEER HOUSE KEEPER
Head
Birth Est 1870
Birthplace Sheffield

Also found for 1891
Emma Sewell
Tottenham Middx, St Anns, Edmonton, Highweek Rd
25
Single
Lace Worker
Birth year est 1866, England
Household
Mary J Sewell Head, F 999?? England
EMMA SEWELL Sister F 25 "
George H Sewell Brother M 21 "
Henry Sewell Brother M 17 "
Don't know if this one is correct though?

Her sister Elizabeth disappears too:

Married:

Elizabeth Emily Sewell
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Elizabeth Emily Sewell
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 37
Birth Date: 1861
Marriage Date: 26 Mar 1898
Marriage Place: Parish Church, Parish of St. Mary'S, Co.of Reading
Father: Thomas Sewell
Spouse: John Isaac Warwicker (widower, 1853, father William)
FHL Film Number: 1040617
Reference ID: I 441, P 28

Can't see either her or her husband after that.

(Looking to see if maybe Emma went to one of her older siblings when she left home, and might be listed under some unexpected name.)

1901 looks very possible, Maureen.

I don't think the 1891 is correct.

She didn't have siblings Mary J or George H.

Her brother Henry married _

Henry James Sewell
in the Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1937
Name: Henry James Sewell
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1862
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1887
Marriage Place: Thornton Heath, St Paul, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Thornton Heath
Father: Thomas Henry Sewell (Horse collar maker)
Spouse: Jane Bensley
Reference Number: 2955/1/10

Both witnesses were Bensleys.

And here he is in 1891:

Henry James Sewell
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Henry James Sewell
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1861
Spouse: Jane Sewell
Child: Henry Herbert Sewell
Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England
Civil Parish: Croydon
Residence Place: Thornton Heath, Croydon, Surrey, England
Sub registration district: Croydon
ED, Institution or Vessel: 60
Neighbors:
Piece: 596
Folio: 123
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry James Sewell 30 - horse collar maker
Jane Sewell 30
Henry Herbert Sewell 1 6/12

He's with wife and children in Tilehurst in 1901.

The whole family later moved to New Zealand, and Henry died there in 1948..

Ancestry's transcription of the 1901 census you found, Maureen, gives a different YOB for Emma. There's a line through her age on the image, so it's hard to read accurately:

Emma Sewell
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Emma Sewell
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Matlock Bath
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Bakewell
Sub-registration district: Matlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Piece: 3267
Folio: 74
Page Number: 13
Household schedule number: 82
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Sewell 37
John Lomas 11 - visitor, Sheffield
Beatrice Goodwin 13 - servant

Thanks again Argyllgran! Looking promising - think definitely born 1868 as ties up with Marriage Cert to Joseph Gower (48) and death in 1944 at 76.
Been trying to find Reuben Hood, the son, looked at Reuben Sewell but no answers.