Genealogy Chat

Maddie there has been a lot of research on N de Ros. on and off board :-)

here is one of the threads on him
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1378279

this is what comes up on fmp

Deros Nicholas Fitzgerald — — — British Army Service Records Salford, Lancashire, England

Deros Nicholas Fitzgerald — — — British Army Service Records Salford,
Deros Nicholas Fitzgerald 1891 — 1916 British Army Service Records Salford, Lancashire, England

Deros Nicholas Fitzgerald 1891 — 1919 British Army Service Records Salford, Lancashire, England

de Ros Nicholas F 1890 1955 1955 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Brentwood, Essex, England

Nicholas Fitzgerald
Last name Deros
Age 25
Birth year 1891
Birth town Salford
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number S25857
Regiment Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)
Year 1916
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'

Hi, Christine -
if you mean the message posted at 17:16 - no, it's there OK!

Other threads you mention:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1302382

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1378301
[ EDIT: this thread has been deleted.]

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1378279

Hi

I wrote a long post asking for information about the Melrose Family and it has disappeared into cyber space. I will try again later.

Christine

Hi

I wrote a long post asking for information about the Melrose Family and it has disappeared into cyber space. I will try again later.

Christine

Hi Everyone
I would like some help with My Grandmothers family - Melrose. As you can see from this thread, and I have also got one relating to Hendry and another to McCarthy, I would like to trace some of the ancestors/descendants of my Grandmother's sisters and half brothers please.

The information that I have so far:
John Melrose c 1813 married Isabella Common on 18/01/1833 in Jedburgh Roxburghshire Scotland. They had a son James Melrose born c 1845 Galashiels who married Janet McIntosh 7/7/1868 Forfar. They had two sons John born 1869 and Robert born 1872.
Janet died 7/8/1881.
James Melrose married Helen Douglas (Dingwall), my great grandmother , 7/12/1883 in Tain. They had 7 children:
Jessie 1884, Isabella 1886, Helen 1887 (my grandmother,) Jemima 1889, Christina (Chrissie) 1891, Gavin 1891 and Duncan 1897.
I have information and have made contact with the grandchildren of Jessie Melrose married William Hendry, Angela McCarthy, Isabella married William Lightfoot, isabella Reid and Gavin Melrose married Evelyn Douglas Ironside, Geoff Baird. Both these sisters and brother emigrated to New Zealand.
My grandmother had a postcard collection and being a hoarder kept old photos and memorabilia which I inherited.

I have no information of the half brother John Melrose.
Robert Melrose was a witness at the wedding of Jessie Melrose and my grandparents. I do have postcards sent to my grandmother from Bob which I am assuming was from Robert. I have photographs taken outside my great grandparents home which include my grandparents holding my dad and Jemima holding a baby. This would have been 1921/22. there are several other older children in the photo which I am guessing could be the children of John and/or Robert. There is also evidence my GGM spent time with her Aunt and Uncle William Douglas and Helen Douglas so they could be her cousin's children.
Jemima Ann Melrose married Mark Sumner 1922. There are photographs of them with children but I have no information regarding them.
Christina Melrose married Anthony McDonald 1922 she was 30 and he was 40. They had a son also called Anthony - my Aunt spoke of Cousin Tony. In the wedding photo there are children so Anthony Senior could have been married before. I have no information about them.
sadly Duncan died at birth.
So to recap I am seeking information about Jemima Melrose m Mark Sumner and Christina Melrose married Anthony McDonald.
I found in my Aunt's address book some addresses in Scotland, as she left Scotland to live in London age 3 I am assuming these would be family. Not sure if it is relevant.
Mrs McDonald, 179 Mid Stocket Road, Aberdeen
Mrs M Sumner 88 Great Western Road Aberdeen
Mr D McIntosh Drumin lochan, Kincraig Invernesshire
Mrs E McKay, Logie Lodges, Lonmay Aberdeenshire
Pte J McKay 2822444, HQ COY 4 PLN (?), 5th Seaforths M.E.F
GNR R Melrose 7357769, Box 208, GPO Glasgow 8a Mount Street Aberdeen

I am not sure about the following:
my grandfather, Nicholas Fitzgerald de Ros was in the Rifle Brigade
RFN G Cameron, No 6914585, D Coy, 7th Battalion. The Rifle Brigade M.E.F . prisoner
Mrs Milton Tichy, 2816 Trumbull Chicago Illinois USA - my GGM's half brother emigrated to America - David Douglas Junior.

I have postcards to my grandmother from Canada from Peter but he could be a friend.

Sorry for such a long post but I was advised not to waste people's time with research that was already known.

So please bear with me and if you can find anything about anyone I would be most grateful.

Thank you

Christine

FYI Many of the records AG found can be found with free images at:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

Thank you very much. I am not only researching on my behalf but for second cousins in New Zealand via the Dingwall/Douglas/Melrose connection and they will be delighted with this.
Thank you again

Kind Regards

Christine

I don't see anything for daughter Helen apart from the censuses.

A tree on Ancestry says she died
"about 2005 • Annapolis, Anne Arundel, Maryland, USA"

The tree also says she married William C Foster and had several children - but no proof offered on the tree, and I can't find records to support that.
Doesn't mean it's not true, of course!

Daughter Mary:


Mary Elizabeth Douglas
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Mary Elizabeth Douglas
[Mary Elizabeth Baldwin]
[Mary Garry]
[Mary Baldwin]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 6 May 1922
Birth Place: Baltimore, Maryland
[Balto, Maryland]
Death Date: 15 Aug 2000
Father: David Douglas
Mother: Mary Lilvik
SSN: 217128958
Notes: Sep 1940: Name listed as MARY ELIZABETH DOUGLAS; Jul 1959: Name listed as MARY ELIZABETH BALDWIN; : Name listed as MARY DOUGLAS GARRY; 20 Sep 2000: Name listed as MARY E BALDWIN



Mary Elizabeth Douglas Gurry
in the Virginia, Marriage Records, 1936-2014
Name: Mary Elizabeth Douglas Gurry
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age: 33
Birth Date: abt 1922
Marriage Registration Place: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Marriage Date: 16 Nov 1955
Marriage Place: Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Father: David Grey Douglas
Mother: Mary Ann Lillvik
Spouse: James Cameron Baldwin

Son Joseph:


Joseph David Douglas
in the U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947

View Original Image on Fold3.

Name: Joseph David Douglas
Race: White
Age: 21
Relationship to Draftee: Self (Head)
Birth Place: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1921
Residence Place: USA
Registration Date: 1942
Household Members:
Name Relationship
Joseph David Douglas Self (Head)


Joseph D Douglas
in the U.S., Select Military Registers, 1862-1985
Name: Joseph D Douglas
Birth Date: 1921
Military Date: 1 Dec 1945
Publication Date: 1 Apr 1951
Title: Commissioned and Warrant Officers of the United States Naval and Reserve


Joseph D. Douglas
in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name: Joseph D. Douglas
Last Residence:
21093 Lutherville Timonium, Baltimore, Maryland
BORN: 9 Mar 1921
Died: 19 Aug 2008
State (Year) SSN issued: Maryland (Before 1951)

Son Vincent;


Vincent Redden Douglas
in the U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947
Name: Vincent Redden Douglas
Race: White
Age: 24
Relationship to Draftee: Self (Head)
Birth Place: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1916
Residence Place: Laurel, Maryland, USA
Registration Date: 1940
Next of Kin: Mary Ann Douglas
Household Members:
Name Relationship
Vincent Redden Douglas Self (Head)
Mary Ann Douglas Mother


Vincent R. Douglas
in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name: Vincent R. Douglas
SSN: 212-07-8514
Last Residence:
21207 Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland, USA
BORN: 31 Mar 1916
Died: 4 Jul 1988
State (Year) SSN issued: Maryland (Before 1951)

Death of daughter Margaret:



Margaret Mary Douglas
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Margaret Mary Douglas
[Margaret Mary Bockstie]
[Margaret Bockstie]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 26 Aug 1913
Birth Place: Baltimore, Maryland
Death Date: 21 Dec 1994
Father: David G Douglas
Mother: Mary A Lillvik
SSN: 216039558
Notes: Dec 1936: Name listed as MARGARET MARY DOUGLAS; Sep 1961: Name listed as MARGARET MARY BOCKSTIE; 10 Jan 1995: Name listed as MARGARET M BOCKSTIE


Margaret M Douglas
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
ame: Margaret M Douglas
Birth Date: 1913
Death Date: 1994
Cemetery: Saint Vincent Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Madison, Morris County, New Jersey, United States of America
Has Bio?: N

Death of son Donald:


Donald Douglas
in the U.S., Department of Veterans Affairs BIRLS Death File, 1850-2010
Name: Donald Douglas
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1912
Death Date: 17 Sep 1988
SSN: 212093931
Branch 1: ARMY
Enlistment Date 1: 22 Jul 1942
Release Date 1: 13 May 1946


Ltc Donald N Douglas Sr
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Ltc Donald N Douglas Sr
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1912
Death Date: 17 Sep 1988
Cemetery: Maryland Veterans Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Crownsville, Anne Arundel County, Maryland, United States of America
Has Bio?: N

Yes, he's Helen's half brother.


David G Douglas
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: David G Douglas
Age: 44
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Spain
Home in 1920: Baltimore Ward 15, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland
Street: Rosedale St
House Number: 2206
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1891
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Mary A Douglas
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Native Tongue: Scotch
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Manager
Industry: Casket Company
Employment Field: Wage or Salary
Home Owned or Rented: Own
Home Free or Mortgaged: Mortgaged
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
David G Douglas 44
Mary A Douglas 34 - born New York
Donald N Douglas 7
Margaret Douglas 6
Vincent R Douglas 3
Helen M Douglas 2

All the children born in Maryland.




David G Douglas
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: David G Douglas
Birth Year: abt 1874
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Spain
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Rosedale Street
Ward of City: 15
Block: 392
House Number: 2206
Dwelling Number: 212
Home Owned or Rented: Owned
Home Value: 5400
Radio Set: Yes
Lives on Farm: No
Age at First Marriage: 37
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Language Spoken: English
Immigration Year: 1890 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Manager
Industry: Mfg Funeral Supplies
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
David G Douglas 56
Mary A Douglas 45
Donald N Douglas 17
Margaret M Douglas 16
Vincent R Douglas 14
Helen M Douglas 12
Joseph Douglas 9
Mary Douglas 7
John Eskstine 47 - roomer


David G Douglas
in the 1940 United States Federal Census
Name: David G Douglas
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Gibralta Spain
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Baltimore, Baltimore City, Maryland
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Rosedale Street
House Number: 2206
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Baltimore, Baltimore City, Maryland
Residence in 1935: Same House
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 2B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 45
Occupation: Under King
House Owned or Rented: Owned
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 3500
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 52
Income: 2800
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
David G Douglas 66
Mary Douglas 55
Donald R Douglas 27
Joseph Douglas 19
Mary Douglas 17



His wife was Mary Ann Lillrik / Lillvik / Lilvik:

David G Douglas
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: David G Douglas
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary A Lillrik
Child: Vincent Redden Douglas


David G Douglas
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: David G Douglas
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary A Lillvik
Child: Margaret Mary Douglas


David Douglas
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: David Douglas
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary Lilvik
Child: Mary Elizabeth Douglas

Hi ArgyllGran

Having had time to digest all of the information I would be most grateful if you could let me have further family history regarding David Grey Douglas as (if I have understood it correctly) he is the half brother of my Great Grandmother Helen Douglas Dingwall.
Thanking you in anticipation

Christine

Wow this is amazing thank you all so much. I was out for the day yesterday so only just picked up your replies. It is great to have so much information I would never been able to get this much on my own. thanks again.
Christine

David Grey Douglas
in the U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: David Grey Douglas
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1873
Street address: 1712 Thomas Ave
Residence Place: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Physical Build: 130
Height: 5-8 1/2
Hair Color: Light
Eye Color: Grey
Relative: Mary Ann Douglas
Relative's Relationship: Wife


He's on the 1920, 1930, 1940 US censuses with wife and children - but not of interest to Christine, seeing his father didn't marry Jessie, so I won't pursue him further!

I don't see the marriage, but the son was born in Gibraltar, so maybe they married there.

David Douglas
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: David Douglas
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ellen Douglas
Gender: Male
Where born: Beauly, Inverness
Registration Number: 644/5
Registration district: Clyde
Civil Parish: Glasgow St Peter
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 7 Wood Lane (broomielaw)
Occupation: Clerk
ED: 31
Household schedule number: 50
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1871_132
Household Members:
Name Age
David Douglas 35
Ellen Douglas 25 - Ireland
David Gray Douglas 8 Mo - Gibraltar



David G Douglas
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: David G Douglas
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1874
Birth Place: Gibraltar
Claim Date: 27 Dec 1950
SSN: 215090902
Notes: 21 Dec 1950: Name listed as DAVID G DOUGLAS



David G Douglas
in the New York, State Census, 1892
Name: David G Douglas (Douglass on image)
Birth Year: abt 1871
Birth Place: Spain
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Citizenship: Citizen
Residence Place: Rochester, Monroe
Ward: Ward 03
Election District: 03
occupation: Clerk

With Mag. Douglass, 18, born Scotland, seamstress.

This is David's death, even though the age doesn't fit with YOB:

DOUGLAS
DAVID
38
1875
098/ 229
Inverness


David Douglas, Staff Sergeant, Highland Light Infantry Militia, married to Ellen Redden.
Died 23 July 1875, 9.50pm, at 50 Huntly Street, Inverness.
Father: William Douglas, farmer, deceased.
Mother: Margaret Douglas, ms Gray, deceased.
Cause of death: dilatation of heart, unknown, bronchitis, 6 weeks.
Informant: Ellen Douglas, widow.