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Thank You ArgyllGran..going between this and the Fleming saga has my brain totally befuddled...!!!

I do hope jake will be able to follow the content of the posts....

Also Peter 1824, as previously posted.

Some children (Baptisms) Alex Dow and Margaret McKinlay Dunblane.

William July 1815
Agnes 1817
Alex.1819
John 1821*****Your John.
Margt. 1828

May well beother children between John 1821 and Margt.1828

Just to add to ArgyllGran's post about the 1855 birth registration for Alexander Dow, 1855 was the first year of statutory registration in Scotland and birth registrations contain more information than later registrations.

From the Scotlandspeople website

1855 register entries
In 1855, the first year of statutory civil registration, the following additional information was recorded:

Other children and whether they were living or deceased
Ages of both parents
Birthplaces of both parents
Parents’ usual residence
Baptismal name (if different).

Margaret's Baptism...



Margaret Dow

Scotland Births and Baptisms






Name Margaret Dow
Gender Female
Christening Date 12 Jan 1828
Christening Place DUNBLANE,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date 05 Jan 1828
Father's Name Alexr. Dow
Mother's Name Margaret Mckinlay

To confirm that Peter Dow in 1851 census above is John's brother - and also 1841 posted by Erin:

Peter Dow
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Peter Dow
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 Mar 1824
Baptism Date: 21 Mar 1824
Baptism Place: Dunblane,Perth,Scotland
Father: Alexander Dow
Mother: Margaret Mckinlay
FHL Film Number: 1040066


Ancestry's transcription of the 1841:

Peter Daus
in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name: Peter Daus
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Gender: Male
Where born: Perthshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Dunblane
County: Perthshire
Address: Raymoyle
Occupation: Ag Lab
Parish Number: 348
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Daus 70 - shoemaker
Margaret Daus 50
Alexander Daus 20
Margaret Daus 12
John Daus 18
Peter Daus 16
Robert Eade 26 - farmer
Agnes Eade 28
Margaret Eade 1



Per 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 censuses, Peter lived the rest of his life in Lancaster.

Possibly 1841 Census Dunblane Perthshire

1841 Perthshire (PER) Dunblane Dunblane 348 1 0 26 Raymoyle

Surname Forenames Sex Age Occupation Birth County Notes

DOW Alexander M 70 Shoemaker PER
DOW Margaret F 50 PER
DOW Alexander M 20 Writers Clerk PER
DOW Margaret F 12 PER
DOW John M 18 Joiner Appren PER ***
DOW Peter M 16 Ag Lab PER ****

Probably John Dow's birth:

DOW
JOHN
ALEXANDER DOW/MARGARET MCKINLAY PG7
M
30/09/1821
348/
40 11
Dunblane


His wife Ann's death:

DOW
ANN
39
mms MCDOUGALL
1863
648/ 61
Lanark

???

John Dow
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: John Dow
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relationship: Head
Spouse: Ann Dow
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumblam [Dunblane] , Perthshire
Parish Number: 564
Civil Parish: Greenock West
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 23 East Show St
Occupation: House Carfrente [carpenter]
ED: 109
Page: 2
Household schedule number: 5
LINE: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_120
Household Members:
Name Age
John Dow 30
Ann Dow 26
Alexander Dow 3 (an earlier Alexander who perhaps died ??)
William Dow 1
Peter Dow 28 - lodger, Dunblane (a relation?)
Alexander Shaw 29 - lodger




John Dowie
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: John Dowie
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ann Mcd Dowie
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunblane, Perthshire
Registration Number: 648
Registration district: Lanark
Civil Parish: Lanark
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 94
Occupation: Wright
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 128
LINE: 8
Roll: CSSCT1861_116
Household Members:
Name Age
John Dowie 38
Ann Mcd Dowie 36
William Dowie 10
Ann Dowie 6
Alexander Dowie 4 (the second Alexander, the one we're interested in)
Jane Dowie 1

Possibly the marriage of Alex.parents

Ann Lamont

mentioned in the record of John Dow and Ann Lamont






Name John Dow
Spouse's Name Ann Lamont
Event Date 15 Feb 1848
Event Place West Or Old Parish,Greenock,Renfrew,Scotland
Father's Name Alexander Dow
Spouse's Father's Name John Lamont


There are possibly 3 other children to this couple..
John b Greenock 1858
Jane b Lanark 1860
Peter b Lanrk 1863
You would need to check 1861/71 Census for Lanark.to confirm

Alexander Dow
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Alexander Dow
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1855
Birth Place: Middle OR New Parish,Greenock,Renfrew,Scotland
Father: John Dow
Mother: Ann Lamont
FHL Film Number: 6035516

Actually, the marriage cert to Mary Thomas is on Ancestry, on that tree.

He was an Able Seaman, age 27,.
Residence at time of marriage: "Usually residing on the Strand, Swansea".
Father: John Dow, deceased, cabinet maker.

Mary was 24, residing at 71 Vincent Street, Swansea.
Father: William Thomas, deceased, tanner.

Presumably Alexander in 1881 ??:


Alexander Dow
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Alexander Dow
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenock
Civil Parish: Vessels
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: "Fairfield"
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Boatswain
Registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: Fairfield
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5028
Folio: 134
Page Number: -8

Assuming the tree is correct re Alexander senior's birthplace, this will be his birth record, from Scotlands People:

DOW
ALEXANDER
M
1855
564/1 343
Greenock New or Middle


If you register with Scotlands People website, and buy some credits, you can view and print the image of the original document for 6 credits (£1.50).
It will tell you his parents' names, his father's occupation, and the date and place of his parents' marriage.

Alexander's marriage cert to Mary Thomas will tell you his father's name, which you can compare with the birth cert to ensure he's the same person.

Mary Dow
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: Mary Dow
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Roath
Ecclesiastical parish: St Germans
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 14a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4389
Folio: 49
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Dow 30
Alexander Daw 5

Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)
Dow Alexander Swansea 11a 907
THOMAS Mary Swansea 11a 907


DOW, ANNIE mms THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 329


DOW, ALEXANDER mms THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 750


Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
Dow Mary 4_ Cardiff 11a *

(Image is very blurred. Age could be 43 or 45. Page number could be anything - 220, 320, 229, 329 - etc.)

The 1911 in full (part posted by Eringobragh above)


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13 Railway St Splot Cardiff, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Elizabeth Dow Wife Married Female 39 1872 Monmouth Pontypool -
Annie Dow Stepdaughter - Female 11 1900 Glam Cardiff School
Nesta Kathryn Dow Daughter - Female 2 1909 Glam Cardiff -

Married 2 years, 1 child born to marriage and still living. This has been crossed out, perhaps as no Father listed officially. However it is Elizabeth who has completed the paperwork and above her own name and outside of the numbered rows, she has written - Alexander Dow at sea

This is Annie Dow with stepmother Elizabeth Griffiths and also a Step sister Nesta Katheryn Dow aged 2....


Name Annie Dow
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
Event Place Cardiff, Splot Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
County Glamorganshire
Parish Cardiff
Sub-District East Cardiff
Registration District Cardiff
Gender Female
Age 11
Occupation SCHOOL
Birth Year (Estimated) 1900
Birthplace Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Relationship to Head of Household Stepdaughter
Line 2
Page 1

Alexander Dow on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Taylor Household (4 People) 22 Red House Road , Cardiff C.B., Glamorganshire, Wales
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Alexander Dow 01 Nov 1855 Male Seaman-Cook(Retired) Widowed 144 4
Jack C Taylor 14 Oct 1913 Male General Labourer Married 144 1
Harriet J (M) Taylor 26 Oct 1913 Female Unpd Domestic Duties Married 144 2
Anthony K Taylor 30 Jun 1937 Male Under School Age Single 144 3

Hi Mary,
Having Trouble understanding the information you have provided here
im getting a Annie Dow (assumed Violets Mother) was born 1900 in Cardiff
and died in 1938.

Annies parents Were
father Alexander Dow born 1855 Greenock Scotland - died 1942
mother was Mary Thomas who died in 1905

Alexander later married Elizabeth Jane Griffiths in 1908

i am unsure as to the information:
""1901 Annie with mum Mary and brother Alexander and 1911 with step mum Elizabeth Dow,dad Alexander is a mariner away at sea."" other than Alexanders profession.

Also getting My great 3x Great Grandfather was 45 and his wife 28 when my 2x Great Grand mother was born! i have no way to confirm or deny this information. however the dates and names seem to match, therefore giving me at least something to go from.

I will pencil in the above information and try to disprove it. you have all given me a boost over my first wall on my family tree, thank you all so much!

Thanks, Jake

P.s
If the information above is correct and i have Scottish roots I shell keep that information on the low low, as my Scottish partner is looking for every reason to get me in a kilt for our wedding!

thanks again jake!