Genealogy Chat

Thank for your reply. I did PM him also. He has been in touch.

Welcome to the boards, Stephanie.

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Good luck!

5 years late to this post but Lawrence Henry Brown AKA Fredrick Brown, was my great grandfather too.

Wow Fantastic Information and fascinating to know thank you all very much.
Will need to have a proper read over weekend when I've got a bit more time but looks very interesting, Think I will also send for the Marriage certificate.

Thanks again
:-) :-)

(just to add, bit quick, but ???, looks to be that Ada Edith Murrell below, oh dear!)

(unless Ada Edith Brown (Gorringe Park Avenue) Married Ernest Hill?, or not, lol)

Edits

Deaths Jun 1976 (79%)
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HILL ADA EDITH 21AU1888 POOLE 23 619

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
Henry Murrell Head Married Male Sub Manager Wine Trade 50 1861 Sussex Brighton
Julia Maria Murrell Wife Married Female - 53 1858 Wiltshire Wedbury
Henry Smith Murrell Father Widower Male Old Age Pensioner Carpenter 82 1829 Norfolk Norwich
Gertrude Maude Murrell Daughter Single Female Drapery Assistant 25 1886 London Westminster
Ada Birth (Edith)Murrell Daughter Single Female - 22 1889 London Stockwell
Dorothy Mildred Murrell Daughter Single Female Milliner 20 1891 London Stockwell
Daisy Winifred Murrell Daughter Single Female Hairdresser Dismgaged 18 1893 London Stockwell
Mabel Constance Murrell Daughter - Female - 17 1894 London Stockwell
Henry Alexander Cecil Murrell Son - Male School 10 1901 London Clapham
Address50 South Side Clapham Common S W
Parish Wandsworth Borough
Census reference RG14 PN2274 RG78 PN77 RD26 SD4 ED24 SN88
(Married 28yrs, 8 children born, 8 living)


Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
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MURRELL Henry St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 825
WILLIAMS Julia Maria St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 825

(image on FMP)


Births Jun 1857 (>99%)
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Williams Julia Maria Westbury 5a 130


England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) JULIA M
Last name MURRELL
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1925
?MarriageFinder™ JULIA M MURRELL married
William J Dines
District Wandsworth
County London
Volume 1D
Page 686


1939 Register (Find My Past)

Ceview Chapel Hill , Wing R.D., Buckinghamshire
Julia M Dines 11 Jun 1857 Female Old Age Pensioner Retired Single (W on image)
Ernest ? Hill 25 Jul 1886 Male Motor & General Engineer Married
Ada E Hill 21 Aug 1888 Female Domestic Duties Married


Deaths Dec 1948 (>99%)
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Dines Julia M 91 Croydon 5g 41

The Lambeth birth for Laurence with mother's maiden name Murrell is the one I thought most likely as on the Surrey Recruitment Registers I posted he gives his birth place as Brixton which comes under the Lambeth Registration District.

Kath. x

(also below perhaps)

Chris :)

Royal Artillery attestations 1883-1942 Transcription

First name(s) Lawrence Henry
Last name Brown
Attestation year 1940
Service number 1695695
(To R. Sigs. 26/5/45)


(that Address on Attestation posted by Kath, Address 131, Gorringe Park Avenue, on below Ancestry)

Surrey, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1962

(1928, Frederick John Brown, Ada Edith Brown, 1929, Ada Edith Brown, 1925, 83, Gorringe Park Avenue, Ada Edith Brown, Frederick John Brown)


(if below)

Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
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Brown Frederick J Wandsworth 1d 1471
Murrell Ada E Wandsworth 1d 1471

(not seeing, London Marriages, Ancestry)


(if below)

Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
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MURRELL Ada Edith Lambeth 1d 489


London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Ada Edith Murrell
14 Oct 1888 Stockwell Green St Andrew Lambeth
Henry Murrell, Julia Maria Murrell
(Born Aug 21(?) 1888)


(was another Birth, but looks to match Death)

Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
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MURRELL Ada Edith E Wandsworth 1d 593

Deaths Mar 1959 (>99%)
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MURRELL Ada E E 73 Rochford 4a 880

(now Laurence, lol)

Chris :)

Royal Artillery attestations 1883-1942 Transcription

First name(s) Lawrence Henry
Last name Brown
Attestation year 1940
Service number 1695695
(To R. Sigs. 26/5/45)

Yes, I had discounted those births, as I was going by his age of 41 as given in the 1944 Chelmsford Chronicle report.

But maybe he lied to the reporter, or maybe the newspaper got it wrong.

Couple of possible births? :-

First name(s) LAURENCE H
Last name BROWN
Birth year 1912
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name Murrell
District Lambeth
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 711
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

and:-


First name(s) LAWRENCE H
Last name BROWN
Birth year 1911
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District York
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 44
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

or:-

First name(s) LAURENCE H
Last name BROWN
Birth year 1911
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Sculcoates
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 144
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Kath. x

Can't see a birth to match the details in that Attestation record posted by Kath.

If his name was actually Lawrence Henry, then the birth registered in 1902 in Worcester is the only one.

But who knows? He was clearly a good liar from quite an early age!

His first legal marriage:-

First name(s) LAWRENCE H
Last name BROWN
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1931
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ LAWRENCE H BROWN married
Rose E Brown
Spouse's last name Brown
District Wandsworth
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 1413
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x

Surrey Recruitment Registers 1908-1933 Transcription

First name(s) Lawrence Henry
Last name Brown
Service number -
Age 18 Years 6 Months
Birth year 1910
Birth place Brixton
Birth county London
Birth country England
Occupation Cinema Attendant
Attestation year 1928
Attestation date 10 November 1928
Unit or regiment East Surrey Regiment
Regiment East Surrey Regiment
Height 5ft 3in.
Weight in pounds 128
Eye colour Blue
Complexion Fresh
Hair colour Dark Brown
Chest expansion inches 2.5
Chest size inches 35
Distinctive marks Scar +
Remarks 131 Gorringe Pk Ave Mitcham Surrey
Notes Voluntary and Direct enlistments. Recruitment register: Supplementary Reserve on cover and [31st] Regimental, Recruiting or Militia, Volunteer Artillery District on pages inside. Not filled. Enclosures: blank short service attestation form and Army Form B 104-57 concerning Corporal Murleys enlistment into the Supplementary Reserve, 17 Nov 1925.
County London
Country England
Reference 2496 / 34
Series VOLUNTARY AND DIRECT ENLISTMENTS, 3RD NOVEMBER 1924 TO 20TH DECEMBER 1929
Page number 56
Record set Surrey Recruitment Registers 1908-1933
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from England, Great Britain

Kath. x

Thanks, Kath.

The article from the Essex Newsman 11th Jan. 1944:-

HAD THREE "WIVES"

Double Bigamy Charge

Frederick Henry Brown, 41, a soldier, was charged at Grays on Friday with bigamously marrying Maude Rose Annie Ayling on April 25, 1936 at Lewisham and Florence Mabel Woodcock at Stanford-le-Hope on Aug 10th 1940.

He was committed to the Essex Assize, and bail was allowed.

Mr. Tinsley, prosecuting, said the accused went through a form of marriage on Sept. 20th 1931 with his wife at Streatham. In 1936 he married Miss Ayling at Lewisham and in 1940 at Stanford-le-Hope he went through a form of marriage with Miss Woodcock.

"What it really boils down to is that the prisoner has committed bigamy twice" added Mr. Tinsley. "I suppose one calls him a trigamist and not a bigamist" (laughter).

Miss Ayling said she was working at Southend in 1935 when she met the accused, who was employed at the Kursaal. There were three children of the "marriage", one of whom had died.

Kath. x

??? Death of the above Lawrence??

Lawrence Henry Brown
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Lawrence Henry Brown
Birth Date: 20 Nov 1901
Date of Registration: Jun 1972
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: North Cotswold
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 1260

???

Lawrence Henry Brown
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Lawrence Henry Brown
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Worcester
Civil Parish: Lulsley and Alfrick
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address: Whistlewood, Lulsley Nr Worcester
Occupation: scholar
Registration district: Martley
Registration District Number: 376
Sub-registration district: Leigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 19B
Piece: 17608
Household Members:
Name Age
Rhoda Mary Brown 47 - widowed
Adeline Brown 13
Lawrence Henry Brown 9


BROWN, ADELINE mms CARTWRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in WORCESTER Volume 06C Page 295

BROWN, LAWRENCE HENRY mms CARTWRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in WORCESTER Volume 06C Page 281


Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
BROWN James Edward Bromyard 6a 853
Cartwright Rhoda Mary Bromyard 6a 85




Adeline Brown
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Adeline Brown
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: James Brown
Mother: Mary Brown
Birth Place: Worcester, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Worcester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: Worcester
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Employment status:
Registration district: Worcester
Sub-registration district: Worcester
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2781
Folio: 76
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 122
Household Members:
Name Age
James Brown 37 - born Bromyard, Herefordshire - wheelwright
Mary Brown 35 - Chaddesley, Worcs.
Hilda Brown 11 - Bromyard
Rose Brown 5 - Worcester
Adeline Brown 4

Choccy -

what does the Essex Newsman say, please?
That link only takes me to the FMP sign in page.

Chelmsford Chronicle 11th February 1944

Pleading guilty to a double bigamy charge, Frederick Henry Brown, 41, a soldier, was stated to have pointed out his lawful wife to one of his bigamous wives as they were walking in Southend. The second bigamous wife was a widow to whom Brown described himself as a bachelor.
DC Bond told the Court that the prisoner's correct name was LAURENCE HENRY BROWN and there were 4 previous convictions against him.
He served with the 8th Army and was at El Alamein.
Mr J C Llewellyn said the 2nd bigamous wife was happy with Brown and had forgiven him. Sentence was 12 months imprisonment.

(looks to be a find that, Choccy!)

Chris :)

(Kursaal)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursaal_(amusement_park)