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My grandad Thoma R.Hadley born 29/06/1893 , death certificate says his fathers occupation was a captain,master mariner, have found out the schooner Jane, was wrecked of Yarmouth in 1877 , so maybe his grandad on this, 6 lives lost , maybe his uncle Albert Hadley , other relations too, my aunts though there dad Thomas from Sussex ? The Thomas Hadley ,same year born 1893 , I can only find ?is from Winvenhoe Essex , just checking how do I know definitely his family or not?
The next interesting ,and very sad bit is, his brother Joseph Hadley born 1886 , died in a ship wreck of kangaroo island , Australia , in 1905 ,all lives lost on this schooner ,called loch vennachar , thanks for any help

Crew of the final voyage[edit] Loch Vennechar.

Captain W. Hawkins and Chief Officer James Priest

From left: D.S.M. Thompson, T. Pearce (apprentice) and J. Hadley
The first list of persons likely to be on the ship at the time of her loss appeared in the news media in late September 1905. This list which contained 23 names of individuals who could be either crew or passengers was compiled from letters waiting for collection by the ship at the offices of George Wills & Co., the ship's agent in Adelaide.[21] A subsequent newspaper article advised that apprentices S.C. Brown and Robert Andrews had respectively transferred from Loch Vennachar to Loch Garry and Loch Torridon despite their names being included on the previously published list.[22] In late November 1905, the following list was published in a number of newspapers in Australia and in papers in both New Zealand and Scotland. This list which 'was received at Fremantle by the English mail' indicates that there were no passengers on the last voyage.[23]

W. S Hawkins, master, Glasgow
James Priest, mate, North Shields
Charles Radcliffe, second mate, USA
Fred. W. Lake, third mate, Melbourne
James Reid, carpenter, Dumbarton
W. Molseed, steward, Greenock
W. McLean, cook, Glasgow
R. Simpson, sailmaker, Greenock
Eugen Broberg, A.B., Stockholm
Donald Mathieson, A.B., Skye
A. Anderson, A.B., Kragero
E: McEwan, A.B., Greenock
Thomas Anderson, A .B., Arandel
Hugh Humphreys, A.B., Portmadoc
Alexander Dunlop, A.B., Rothesay
M. Jenson, A.B., Aarhus
David Hanson, A.B., Bergen
E. Holden, A.B., Newark, N.J.
John Bickle, A.B., Edinburgh
William Barry, A.B., Adelaide
Edward McPhie, O.S., Morven
William Turnbull, O.S., Grangemouth
William Martin, O.S., Glasgow
Joseph W. Hadley, apprentice, Wivenhoe
Thomas. W. Pearce, apprentice, Southampton
D. S. B. Thomson, apprentice, Melbourne
Horace Eastwood, apprentice, Knottingley
In the above list, the abbreviations A.B. and O.S. refer respectively to Able seaman and Ordinary seaman.

The passing of Thomas Pearce received attention in the Australian press due to his father, Tom Pearce, being well known as one of the two survivors of the Loch Ard wrecking in 1878, and as his grandfather, James Pearce, was the captain of SS Gothenburg at the time of her loss in 1875.[24]

Thomas R Hadley 1901
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Joseph Hadley
Mother: Mary A Hadley
Birth Place: Wivenhoe
Civil Parish: Wivenhoe
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Ecclesiastical parish: Wivenhoe St Mary
Town: Wivenhoe
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lexden
Sub-registration district: Wivenhoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1712
Folio: 7
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Hadley 44
Mary A Hadley 42
Joseph W Hadley 16
Albert J Hadley 14
Ravdon E Hadley 11
Harry C Hadley 9
Lewis G Hadley 8
Thomas R Hadley 6
Alice M Hadley 5
Gladys K Hadley 2

Joseph Hadley
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name
Joseph Hadley
Event Type
Census
Event Date
31 Mar 1901
Event Place
Wivenhoe, Essex, England
County
Essex
Civil Parish
Wivenhoe
Ecclesiastical Parish
Wivenhoe St Mary
Sub-District
Wivenhoe
Registration District
Lexden
Residence Note
High Street
Gender
Male
Age
44
Occupation
MASTER MARINER
Relationship to Head of Household
Head
Birth Year (Estimated)
1857
Birthplace
Wivenhoe
Schedule Type
45
Page Number
6

Joseph Hadley
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name
Joseph Hadley
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1871
Event Place
London, Middlesex, England
Gender
Male
Age
14
Marital Status
Unmarried
Occupation
Cabin Boy
Birth Year (Estimated)
1857
Birthplace
Wivenhoe, Essex
Entry Number
6
Affiliate Image Identifier
GBC/1871/0590/0291

Joseph Hadly
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name
Joseph Hadly
County
Essex
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1861
Event Place
Wivenhoe, Essex, England
Registration District
Lexden
Residence Note
Bethany Street
Gender
Male
Age
4
Relationship to Head of Household
Son
Birth Year (Estimated)
1857
Birthplace
Wivenhoe, Essex
Page Number
19
Registration Number
RG09
Piece/Folio
1101 / 13
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Joseph Hadly
Head
M
34
Wivenhoe, Essex
Mary Hadly
Wife
F
29
Wivenhoe, Essex
Eliza Hadly
Daughter
F
6
Wivenhoe, Essex
Joseph Hadly
Son
M
4
Wivenhoe, Essex
William S Hadly
Son
M
2
Wivenhoe, Essex

Joseph Hadley Deaths at Sea
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1827
Death Date: 16 Apr 1877
Death Age: 50
Residence Place: Sunnyside Weventie
Ship: Jane

HADLEY, THOMAS RONALD KENT Order
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in LEXDEN & WINSTREE UNION Volume 04A Page 591

Joseph /Hadley/
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Sex
Male

Birth
19 January 1827
Wivenhoe, Essex

Death
about 1877
At sea

Service record says born Essex- matches the birth date you've given:

British Royal Air Force, Airmen's service records

First name(s) Thomas Ronald
Last name Hadley
Birth year 1894
Birth date 29 Jun 1894
Birth town Wivenhoe
Birth county Essex
Occupation Ships Joiner
Attestation year 1920
Attestation date 22 Jun 1920
Attestation age 25
Service number 341486
Derserted: 1925
Next of Kin- father, Mr J Hadley, Wivenhoe
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bellevue Road Wivenhoe, Wivenhoe, Essex, England

Joseph Hadley Head Married Male Master Mariner 54 1857 Essex Wivenhoe
Mary Ann Hadley Wife Married Female - 52 1859 Essex Wivenhoe
Albert James Hadley Son Single Male Ships Painter 23 1888 Essex Wivenhoe
Rawdon Edward Hadley Son Single Male Ships Plater Apprentice 21 1890 Essex Wivenhoe
Harry Clifford Hadley Son Single Male Engine Fitter Apprentice 20 1891 Essex Wivenhoe
Lewis George Hadley Son Single Male Ships Plater Apprentice 18 1893 Essex Wivenhoe
Thomas Ronald Hadley Son Single Male Ship Joiner Apprentice 16 1895 Essex Wivenhoe
Alice Mary Hadley Daughter Single Female Dress Maker Apprentice 15 1896 Essex Wivenhoe
Gladys Kate Hadley Daughter - Female School 12 1899 Essex Wivenhoe
Lily May Hadley Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Essex Wivenhoe
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Looks like Thomas' father, Joseph, died in 1950-

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

HADLEY- Joseph of 60 Cross Road, Maldon, Essex died 23 February 1950 at 1 Hawthorne Hill Letchworth, Hertfordshire Administration London 3 August to Alice Mary Carter, (wife of Stanley William Carter).

Death:
name(s) JOSEPH HADLEY
Gender Male
Birth year 1856
Age 94
Death quarter 1
Death year 1950
District Hitchin
County Hertfordshire
Volume 4B Page 111

http://www.wivenhoehistory.org.uk/content/topics/maritime/mike-boats/the-schooner-jane-wrecked-with-loss-of-5-wivenhoe-men-april-1877

(quite a bit on above, includes some family info.)

Chris :)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(loch vennachar used in 'phrase box' on above, brings items, also below)


https://tinyurl.com/kwmzzls

Joseph W. Hadley (apprentice), Wivenhoe;


02 October 1905 - Derby Daily Telegraph - Derby, Derbyshire, England

THE FATE OF THE LOCH VENNACHAR.
...Joseph W. Hadley, of Wivenhoe, Essex, apprentice


HADLEY, JOSEPH WILLIAM (KENT)
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in LEXDEN & WINSTREE UNION Volume 04A Page 506


Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
HADLEY Joseph Lexden 4a 745
KENT Mary Ann Lexden 4a 745


Edits

http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/ParishRegisters.aspx

(Wivenhoe Parish Records on above, subscription needed)

1 day (24 hours) - £10.00
1 week (7 days) - £20.00
1 month (30 days) - £30.00
6 months (182 days) - £60.00
1 year (365 days) - £85.00

Here's Thomas' Father in 1939:

Hadey Household Sunnyside Belle Vue Road , Wivenhoe U.D., Essex, England

Joseph Hadey 07 Feb 1857 Male Master Mariner Retired Widow
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Joseph's birth:

HADLEY, JOSEPH (Mother's maiden name: TRACEY)
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in LEXDEN & WINSTREE UNION Volume 04A Page 256

Thomas deserted from the RAF in 1925 at Leuchars.

He also died in Scotland. Does the death certificate not have his Mother's name on too (Mary Ann Kent)?

Death:
HADLEY- THOMAS RONALD
age: 81
year of death:1975
Place: St Andrews (Fife)

Thanks to everyone who has confirmed all this information for me, it's very interesting and sad too, as the family were then penniless after schooner Jane went down. Was in Australia while back , would have went to kangaroo island , if had known this sooner, thanks again much appreciated
Helen

Thomas Robert Hadley 1896 was my grandfather, he had another brother Albert James Hadley 1886 , don't know what happened to him? His other 2 brothers Rawdon And Lewis ,are on the town of wivenhoe Essex fisrt world war memorial .So sadly died in first world war .brave men .
He also had 3 sisters ,wonder if they married what happened to them? Where they went?
Alice Mary Hadley 1895 to 1994 lived a good age.and
Gladys Kate Hadley 1898 .there was other sister Lily Hadley who was younger
Thanks if anyone can help with these members of my family.

1939
Millcot Queen's Road , Wivenhoe U.D., Essex, England

Albert J Hadley 19 Oct 1886 Male Shipyard Painter Married 313 1
Lily Hadley 19 Jun 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 313 2
Doris M Robinson (Hadley) 17 Aug 1914 Female Printers Assistant Single 3

?????
ALBERT J
Last name HADLEY
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1887
Age 81
Death quarter 1
Death year 1968
District Colchester
County Essex
Volume 4A
Page 803

ALBERT J
Last name HADLEY
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1913
Registration month -

ALBERT J HADLEY married one of these people

Lily Howlett
Spouse's last name Howlett
District Hackney

DORIS M
Last name HADLEY
Birth year 1914
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Howlett
District Lexden
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 1624

Name: Gladys K Hadley
Registration Date: Jul 1925
[Aug 1925]
[Sep 1925]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Lexden
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Lewis E Bullard


in the 1939 England and Wales Register
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Name: Gladys K Bullard
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1898
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 18
Residence Place: Letchworth, Hertfordshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 112
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: DELB
Registration district: 136/1
Inferred Spouse: Lewis E Bullard
Inferred Children: Sheila M Bullard
Household Members:
Name
Lewis E Bullard
Gladys K Bullard
Sheila M Bullard
Walter G Webb

Name: Lewis E Bullard
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 5 Apr 1898
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 18
Residence Place: Letchworth, Hertfordshire, England
Occupation: Mens Clothier & Outfitter Company Managing Director
Schedule Number: 112
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: DELB
Registration district: 136/1
Inferred Spouse: Gladys K Bullard
Inferred Children: Sheila M Bullard
Household Members:
Name
Lewis E Bullard
Gladys K Bullard
Sheila M Bullard
Walter G Webb

in the UK, Royal Air Force Airmen Records, 1918-1940

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Report issue

Name: Lewis Edwin Bullard
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Birth Date: 5 Apr 1898
Service Date: 3 Jan 1917
Service Number: 105364
Father: Frederick Walter Bullard
Next of Kin: Frederick Walter Bullard
Relation to Airman: Father

Name: Lewis E Bullard
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: abt 1898
Registration Date: Jun 1963
Registration district: Hitchin
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 146

Name: Gladys K Bullard
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: abt 1899
Registration Date: Jun 1964
Registration district: Biggleswade
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 89

daughter
1939
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
View 1939 England and Wales Register

Report issue

Name: Sheila M Bullard
[Sheila M Fisher]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1927
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 18
Residence Place: Letchworth, Hertfordshire, England
Occupation: at School
Schedule Number: 112
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: DELB
Registration district: 136/1
Inferred Father: Lewis E Bullard
Inferred Mother: Gladys K Bullard
Household Members:
Name
Lewis E Bullard
Gladys K Bullard
Sheila M Bullard
Walter G Webb

Name: Sheila M Bullard
Registration Date: Oct 1950
[Nov 1950]
[Dec 1950]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Hitchin
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Spouse: Eric L Fisher



Name: Sheila Mary Fisher
Death Age: 62
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1927
Registration Date: Jan 1990
Registration district: Stevenage
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 958

Name: Alice M Hadley
Registration Date: Oct 1922
[Nov 1922]
[Dec 1922]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Lexden
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Stanley W Carter

in the 1939 England and Wales Register
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Report issue

Name: Alice M Carter
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1895
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 103.
Residence Place: Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic
Schedule Number: 49
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: DEWG
Registration district: 140-3 140-2.
Inferred Spouse: Stanley W Carter
Household Members:
Name
Stanley W Carter
Alice M Carte

Name: Alice Mary Carter
Death Age: 98
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1895
Registration Date: Jun 1994
Registration district: Watford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Register Number: A36D
District and Subdistrict: 5361A

in the 1939 England and Wales Register
View 1939 England and Wales Register

Report issue

Name: Stanley W Carter
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 11 May 1895
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 103.
Residence Place: Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Occupation: Travelling Supt Newspaper Distribution
Schedule Number: 49
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: DEWG
Registration district: 140-3 140-2.
Inferred Spouse: Alice M Carter
Household Members:
Name
Stanley W Carter
Alice M Carter


Name: Stanley W Carter
Death Age: 63
Birth Date: abt 1896
Registration Date: Jun 1959
Registration district: Watford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 262

Lily May
Last name Hadley
Year 1931
Season -
Polling district or place Wivenhoe
Constituency P C of Essex, Harwich Division
Constituency in full Parliamentary County of Essex, Harwich Division
County Essex
Country England
Register type Parliamentary County
Archive
The British Library
Archive reference SPR.Mic.P.310/BL.E.22
Record set England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Electoral Rolls

?????????
LILY M
Last name HADLEY
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1935
Registration month -
LILY M HADLEY married one of these people

Edgar L Ribbans
Spouse's last name Ribbans
District Lexden
District number -
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A

but birth year is out
LILY MAY
Last name RIBBANS
Gender Female
Birth day 16
Birth month 4
Birth year 1903
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1995
District Deben
District number 7431
Register number 18C
Entry number 195
Date of registration mm/yy 0295
County Suffolk
Country England

1939
60 Cross Road , Maldon M.B., Essex, England
irst name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Edgar Ribbans 20 Dec 1907 Male Bank Clerk Married 37 1
Lily Ribbans 09 Dec 1904 Female Udd Married 37 2

HADLEY, LILY MAY KENT
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in LEXDEN Volume 04A Page 853

JOHN
Last name RIBBANS
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1939
Age 0
Death quarter 2
Death year 1939
District Maldon
County Essex

JOHN
Last name RIBBANS
Birth year 1939
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Hadley
District Maldon
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 1291

another child born in 1938

Name: Edgar Leonard Ribbans
Death Date: 2 Aug 1995
Death Place: Tyabb
Occupation: Rtd Bank Manager
Grant Date: 6 Feb 1996

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