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Kala

Kala Report 27 Jan 2017 13:01

And could any one help with finding when Charles cane to the UK?

Sorry for a million questions, I'm really struggling with this one for some reason

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Jan 2017 21:39

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/DeathNotices/deaths_NICK

(a John Richard on above, if Son)


Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
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Neilson John 9 Newcastle T. 10b 51

(a possible)


National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 (Find My Past)

First name(s) Lily
Last name Nilsson
Birth year 1897
Birth date 31 Oct 1897
Event year 1903 (Admission 20/7/03 Left 19/7/04)
School name Raby Street Council Schools (Infants)
Town Newcastle upon Tyne
County Northumberland
Parent name(s) Charles
Book type Admissions
Archive reference E.NC78/3/2/2
(Address, 90, Avondale Rd.)

Saw above, but would say you need to get some Certs.

Chris :)

(probably a Surname for Variants of spellings also!)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 27 Jan 2017 21:50


First name(s) LILIAN B
Last name NILSSON
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1898
Age 69
Death quarter 4
Death year 1967
District Liverpool North
County Lancashire
Volume 10D
Page 358
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

Kala

Kala Report 27 Jan 2017 21:59

Thanks Chris! I think that is Lilian Elizabeth Nilsson you've found there! 'Lily' has the same birth date as Lilian. I agree, to get any further with this I will definitely need to get some certificates but the one in REALLY want is Charles' which is proving difficult as I don't know his exact d.o.b and he was also born in Sweden so I have NO idea where to start

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 27 Jan 2017 23:16

Kelsey ...............

buy one of the children's birth certificates.

Thta will give you the mother's maiden name .............. hopefully it is Fellows!


Then find the marriage that marches a Charles Nilsson marrying a woman with the maiden name ............ again, hopefully that is the marriage to Catherine Fellows.

Buy that marriage certificate.

It SHOULD have on it the name and occupation of Charles' father 9as well as Catherine's).

Thta now gives you a lead that you don't currently have .............. the name of Charles' father.


I don't know whether you know about buying English certificates??

Buy ONLY from GRO (General Register Office) .... it's the official centre AND the cheapest.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Click on Order Certificates Online.

You have to register but it is free.

Then follow instructions .......... give names ONLY as you have found on the Indexes.

Each certificate will cost you £9.25 including postage and handling, no matter where you are in the world.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Jan 2017 06:49

Don't suppose you had any previous 'Threads on family did you?...
(was checking that image of 1886 Marriage (Find My Past), and had 'ticks' coming up, as 'Viewed' before).

Chris :)

(Father John Nilsson (Deceased. No Occupation given for him) below couple were the Witnesses, and Address for Residence, the same, perhaps James was his employer!)


1881 (Find My Past)
James Fernee Head Married Male 39 1842 Manager (Gas Furnaces) Hornsey, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Fernee Wife Married Female 34 1847 - Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Emma E Fernee Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Domestic At Home Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Edward H Fernee Son Single Male 1 1880 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
306, Grimesthorpe Road, Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield, Yorkshire,


Edits (there is also below, Naturalisation Papers, if him)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11891585

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4148805


(should be on below also)

All UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations (Ancestry)

(bearing in mind, that other Charles Nilsson/Sweden is about also!, and could even be others)

(some info. on it below)

About UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1912

With citizenship came the right to vote, hold civil or military office, and the ability to inherit land, but for immigrants in England, until 1844, naturalisation was a costly process. Beginning in 1844, the process no longer required an act of parliament and naturalisations could be granted through the Secretary of State for the Home Office

This collection includes naturalisation certificates, declarations of British nationality, and re-admissions to British nationality, as well as related correspondence, for the years 1870–1912. (Series HO 334 includes records that date to 1949, but later records are restricted because of privacy requirements.)

Naturalisation certificates will typically list the name of the immigrant, residence, birthplace, age, parents’ names, occupation, and the names of any underage children.

(Notes on 1901, he states N.B.S. not on 1911 though!)


(You also have below to check on Ancestry, bearing in mind they are not complete, and the name changes are many!)

UK, Aliens Entry Books, 1794-1921 (Ancestry)

England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869 (Ancestry)


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/naturalised-britons/

(from National Archives)

mgnv

mgnv Report 29 Jan 2017 17:03

1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-KMRC
Event Place Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire,Yorkshire West Riding, England
Registration District Sheffield
Residence Note Grimesthorpe Rd
Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 4663/137 Page Number 6
Richard Fellows Head M 40 Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Fellows Wife F 40 Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England
Henry Fellows Son M 16 Haxey, Lincolnshire, England
Catherine A Fellows Daughter F 14 Epworth, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth M Fellows Daughter F 8 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Mary E Fellows Daughter F 6 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
William H Fellows Son M 0 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBCT-KTC
Event Place Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Registration Number RG10 Piece/Folio 4695/ 22 Page Number 37
Richard Fellows Head M 30 Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire Tool Strickler
Mary Fellows Wife F 31 Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire
Henry Fellows Son M 6 Ashton Manor, Warwickshire
Catherine Fellows Daughter F 4 Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire
Samuel Booth Visitor M 38 Swinton, Nottinghamshire

I don't know the relevance, but 3 h/h's down the page is Henry Fellows:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBCT-KTK


Marriages Jun 1864 (>99%)
Fellows Richard Aston 6d 322
Haywood Mary Aston 6d 322
Hunt Henry Aston 6d 322
Pemberton Elizabeth Aston 6d 322


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
FELLOWS, HENRY HAYWOOD Order
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 346 Order

FELLOWS, CATHERINE HAYWOOD Order
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 382

FELLOWS, SAMUEL KENDRICK HAYWOOD Order
GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 453

FELLOWS, ELIZABETH MARIA HAYWOOD Order
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 459

FELLOWS, MARY ELLEN HAYWOOD Order
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 525

FELLOWS, WILLIAM HAYWOOD HAYWOOD Order
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 500 Order


Deaths Sep 1874 (>99%)
FELLOWS Samuel Kendrick 3 Sheffield 9c 315


1901
Registration Number RG13 Piece/Folio 4772/ 18 Page Number 29
Ancestry has the Hillson h/h, containing (amongst others):
Lillia E Hillson
W Ammie Hillson
Thomas Neshitt


If Dora J is actually Dora I, these are the two 5 y.o. born in Gateshead:

SIDDOWAY, DORA ISABELLA FLINTOFF Order
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 1017

COOK, DORA ISABEL COWENS Order
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 867

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
NILSSON, CHARLES WILLIAM FELLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 527

NILSSON, KATE FELLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 72

NILSSON, JOHN RICHARD FALLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 63

NILSSON, ALICE ELLEN FALLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 850

NILSSON, LILLIAN ELIZABETH FELLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 975

NILSSON, BERNHADINE FELLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 58 Order

NILSSON, WILLIAM RICHARD FELLOWS Order
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 41


Deaths Jun 1893 (>99%)
Nilsson Kate 2 Newcastle T. 10b 15

I guess:
Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
Neilson John 9 Newcastle T. 10b 51

I can't find a death for William

Maybe:
Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
Ellensworth James Nilsson Newcastle T. 10b 252
Nilsson Alice Ellensworth Newcastle T. 10b 252

Kala

Kala Report 27 Feb 2017 21:24

Hi Chris, sorry I missed all of these replies! :-S

I have ordered the naturalisation certificate for Charles Nilsson to see if this is the correct one! I sure hope it is, wouldn't know where to go from here if it is not.

I will let you know anyway.

Thank you all for your help.