Genealogy Chat

Nadine, I doubt Rebecca ever married Soloman as she later marries George Bonny under the surname Cain.

I believe all these children are Rebecca's-. As an unmarried woman, regardless of the father, they would have all been registered under surname Cain (although many woman did lie about marital status)

Charles Henry Cain b1855 Hampstead

Henry Cain b1862 Hampstead (Died 1865 Hampstead)

Albert George Cain b1867 Hampstead

Sarah Ann Cain b 1869 Hampstead (Died 1872 Hampstead)

Soloman Cain b1874 Hampstead (Died 1876 Hampstead)
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I was hoping once you'd started inputting the information into a tree, that it might make it all easier to understand.

If there's anything that you're not sure of just ask.

Ive done lots of trees for friends but this side of the tree is the most confusing! lol

Burial Register summary

Cain Charles William
Burial date 10 February 1879
Location Camden

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(probably more on Surnames above)

(London Burials, Ancestry sometimes have also, one below if relating)

Solomon Cain
abt 1875 28 Apr 1876 St John, Hampstead Camden Burial

Chris :)

(without confusing!, who was below,as stated on page 1)

(as charles died in 1903)

Thanks so much guys! Im slowly putting it into the tree and amending everything!

Im guessing she had a couple of kids out of wedlock (tut tut!) and then hooked up with Soloman (cant find a marriage certificate so im not sure if they married?) but how come their children had her surname not his?? i would have thought she would want them to have his name?

After Solomon Heady dies (1874), Rebecca (mother of your Charles William), marries George Bonny in 1877:

Name: Rebecca Cain
Spouse: George Bonny
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Aug 1877
Parish: St John, Hampstead
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Charles Cain
Spouse Father: Samuel Bonny
Register Type: Parish Register
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This is her in 1891- note Grandaughter, Lilly- Lilly was the daughter of your Charles William Cain and Elizabeth (nee Hosier):

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Willow Terrace, Hampstead, London, England

George Bonney Head Married Male 53 1838 General Labourer Sudbury, Suffolk,
Rebecca Bonney Wife Married Female 54 1837 - Hampstead, Middlesex,
Emily E Bonney Daughter Single Female 13 1878 Scholar Hampstead, Middlesex,
Samuel Bonney Son Single Male 11 1880 Scholar Hampstead, Middlesex,
William Stringer Boarder Widower Male 73 1818 General Labourer Hampstead, Middlesex,
Lilly Cane Granddaughter Single Female 43 1848 - Hampstead, Middlesex,

Also note 'William Stringer'- he was the partner of Rebecca's Mum, Ann.

This is from page one that Margaret posted:

Name: Charles William Cain
Spouse: Emma Skitmore
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1875
Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Cain
Spouse Father: William Skitmore
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses were Martha Cain and Harry Skidmore
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Interestingly that Charles & Emma also had a son, Charles William, born 10th July 1877.

Name: Charles William Cane
Record Type: Baptism
Born 10 July 1877
Baptism Date: 6 Jan 1879
Father's name: Charles William Cane
Mother's name: Emma Cane
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

(There is a possible death which would have been shortly after this baptism in first quarter 1879)

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It seems a lot of trees on Ancestry have made the same mistakes- confusing the two Charles William Cain.

Charles W, the son of John E & Martha was born in 1853. He possibly died in 1878, which could be why there is so much confusion.

Yours was born in 1855

As posted on previous page:
CAIN, CHARLES WILLIAM
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 433

Think that's incorrect Nadine- I suspect that Charles (son of John & Martha) is the one that married Emma Skidmore. When you get time take a look at the information posted, I'm sure you'll see.

Sorry havent had a chance to have a proper read through yet.. im cheekily have a quick scan through at work!
I had Charles Williams father down as John Ephraim and mother as Martha Try..


Thank you everyone for looking and replying.. i will have a proper read tonight!

No problem Margaret! Sorry if it sounded a bit abrupt

:-)

Sorry, Austin, I'd better start reading threads more thoroughly before I post.

Ah- now this looks to be Rebecca with her Mum in 1841 & 1851. Possibly her Mum was later Ann Stringer/ Stronger, so would be the grandmother of Charles and Albert.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Marvel Court, St John Hampstead, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Elizabeth Bowden Female 25 1816 Middlesex, England
Ann Cane Female 24 1817 Middlesex, England
Rebecca Cane Female 4 1837 Middlesex, England
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Murray Court, Saint John, Hampstead, Middlesex, England

Fredric Hill Head Unmarried Male 39 1812 Porter Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Ann Cane Lodger Unmarried Female 33 1818 Dressmaker Hampstead, Middlesex,
Rebecca - Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 Scholar Hampstead, Middlesex,
Thomas - Nephew - Male 3 1848 At Home Hampstead, Middlesex,

Possible death for Soloman 1874:

First name(s) SOLOMAN
Last name HEADY
Gender Male
Birth year 1835
Age 39
Death quarter 2
Death year 1874
District HAMPSTEAD
County London

and burial:

Name: Solomon Heady
Record Type: Burial
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Death Date: abt 1874
Burial Date: 6 Jun 1874
Burial Place: St John, Hampstead, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John, Hampstead
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Register
Volume 1A Page 406

It has already been posted (twice) Margaret

This would be the entry in the birth index for Charles and Albert's sister, Sarah (listed as Heady on the 1871 census):

CAIN, SARAH ANN
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 570

and sadly, possible death:

Name: Sarah Ann Cain
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Registration Year: 1872
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 2
Registration district: Hampstead
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a Page: 444

The original of this baptism shows that parents Solomon Cain & Rebecca is crossed out and "single woman" written in.

Albert George Cain

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Record Image View

Name: Albert George Cain
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Jul 1879
Father's name: Solomon Cain
Mother's name: Rebecca Cain
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St John
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

So, it seems that Charles William Senior was the son of Rebecca Cain who was living with Soloman Heady (a plasterer).

OK, and this is the link- Albert was lodging with WIlliam Stringer in 1881. Charles (his brother) was lodging with the same people in 1861 & 1871:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Johnsons Court, Hampstead, London, England

William Stronger Head Married Male 44 1817 Labourer Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Ann Stronger Wife Married Female 44 1817 Milliner Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Charles Canion Grandson - Male 5 1856 - Hampstead, Middlesex, England

(Surname Cain on image)
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Johnsons Court, Hampstead, London, England

Henry Davis Head - Male 42 1829 - Middlesex, England
William Stronger Head - Male 50 1821 - Middlesex, England
Ann Stronger Wife - Female 53 1818 - Middlesex, England
Charles Cane Boarder - Male 16 1855 - Middlesex, England

(Stringer on image)

I think this is Rebecca- no Charles with her, and I need to check it further, but it looks promising:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Crockets Court, Hampstead, London, England

Rebecca Cane Lodger Unmarried Female 24 1837 Dress Maker Hampstead, Middlesex, England
S Head Lodger - Male 24 1837 Plasterer Hampstead, Middlesex, England
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This is the same woman in 1871- with a son, Albert G- which I suspect is Albert George Cain:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Johnsons Court, Hampstead, London, England

Solomon Heady Head - Male 35 1836 Plasterer Middlesex, England
Rebecca Heady Wife - Female 34 1837 - Middlesex, England
Albert G Heady Son - Male 3 1868 - Middlesex, England
Sarah A Heady Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Middlesex, England

It could be that both Charles and George gave Soloman as their father to cover their illegitimacy- But you would need their birth certificates to confirm this:

CAIN, CHARLES WILLIAM
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 433

CUIN, ALBERT GEORGE
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 586

I think this is Albert's baptism (it posted it above too)- (Perhaps baptised as an older child)- Solomon is crossed out and replaced with single woman:

Name: Albert George Cain
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Jul 1879
Father's name: Solomon Cain
Mother's name: Rebecca Cain
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St John
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

This looks to be a brother of Charles William Cain (senior)

Name: Albert George Cain (of 42 Rockford Street)
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Age: 21
Spouse: Maryann Horton
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Apr 1888
Parish: St Martin, Kentish Town
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Soloman Cain (Plaster)
Spouse Father: George Horton
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Charles William Cain & Mary Horton
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In 1881 Albert is lodging with William Stringer- note he is from Birmingham. Perhaps he is connection as to why Charles was in Birmingham?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Johnsons Court, Hampstead, London, England

William Stringer Head Married Male 61 1820 Labr Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Ann Stringer Wife Married Female 61 1820 Needlewoman Middlesex, England
Albert G Cain Lodger Single Male 13 1868 - Middlesex, England

Nadine, you haven't gone wrong with your family research. It's just that father and son both having the same name has caused confusion.

As you rightly say - Frances M. Cain b.1915 was the daughter of Mary Ann Bass and Charles William Cain.

This Charles William Cain (junior) was the son of Charles William Cain (senior) and Elizabeth.

Helpers on here have worked out that Charles William Cain (senior) married Elizabeth Hosier.

So, Solomon Cain was the father of Charles William Cain (senior), and
Charles William Cain (senior) was the father of Charles William Cain (junior).