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Hi Erika

Have taken your advice and messaged Julie. Many thanks for the additional information will also add that to my tree on Ancestry which is fuller than my tree on Genes.

Many thanks
Jackie

A brother of Viola

Name: William Emanuel Hayter
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1850
Baptism Place: St Nicholas, Chiswick, Hounslow, England
Father:Emanuel William Hayter
Mother: Mary Hayter
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Name: William Emanuel Hayter
Death Age: 15
Birth Date: abt 1850 14 Sep
Burial Date: 14 Sep 1865
Cemetery: Brompton Cemetery
Burial Place: London, London, England

Burial of their father
Name: Emanuel William Hayter
Gender: Male
Death Age: 24
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1830
Death Date: Abt 1854
Burial Date: 29 Aug 1854
Burial Place: St Nicholas, Chiswick, Hounslow, England
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

marriage of parents

Name: Emanuel Hayter
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 10 Feb 1850
Marriage Place: St John the Evangelist, Smith Square, London, Westminster, England
Spouse: Mary Ann Vane

Info not available online when OP was added

HAYTER, VOILA SOPHIA VANE
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 63

Julie seems still to be a member of GR. Click on her name and send a message - she may appreciate the contact

Have just seen this post and realise that it is about 6 years old. My gt.gt. grandmother Emma Binnie 1818-1848 was the sister of Jane Binnie. My main tree on Ancestry gives further information about the family. I have often wondered if the family emigrated as they all seemed to disappear from England.

Will add the information on here to my tree.

Thanks

Hi Julie,

Just found these email exchanges & believe your George Evans may have been a nephew of one of my 3 x great grandfathers, William Evans.

I am coming to the conclusion that George's father, Alfred, born 1817 in St Marylebone, London was a brother to William Evans, born 1815, St Marylebone, London. Two other possible siblings; Eliza born 19/08/1819 & George, born 29/10/1821 (both in Bethnal Green, London). Their parents were possibly William Evans & Mary Adams who married 01/03/1812.

Will let you know if I get to the bottom of this.

Regards

Coreen

Below are on Ancestry, he is a Gas Engineer 1874, so would fit with Occ. on Viola Marriage a couple of months later, and she is a Witness.

Chris :)

George Alexander Fulton
abt 1813 2 Apr 1874 Mary Wilcockson St Peter, Mile End Old Town

George Alexander Fulton
abt 1813 26 Jan 1839 Elizabeth Caroline Hayter St Mary, West Kensington


Deaths Jun 1886 (>99%)
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FULTON George Alexander 74 Stepney 1c 271


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=fulton&yearOfDeath=1886&page=2#calendar

(Probate 1886, late of 56, Ben Jonson Road)

Deaths Mar 1859 (>99%)
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Fulton Elizabeth Caroline Edmonton 3a 90


(above Death would tie in with area for below!)

08 March 1858 - Morning Advertiser - London, London, England

Refused. George Alexander Fulton applied for a licence to the Green Gate beer-shop, Wood-green. The applicant appeared in person, and Mr. Wooley opposed. Not Granted.


Thames & Medway Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Emanuel William
Last name Hayter
Age 24
Birth year 1830
Burial year 1854
Burial date 29 Aug 1854
Death year 1854
Residence Chiswick
Place Chiswick
County Middlesex
Source St.Nicholas Chiswick 1813-1855 burials


Deaths Sep 1854 (>99%)
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Hayter Emanuel William Brentford 3a 75


Thames & Medway Baptisms Transcription

First name(s)
Emanuel William
Last name Hayter
Birth year 1830
Baptism year 1830
Baptism date 30 May 1830
Place Chiswick
County Middlesex
Mother's first name(s) Sophia
Father's first name(s) William
Source St.Nicholas Chiswick 1813-1855 baptisms


Thames & Medway Burials Transcription

First name(s) Mary
Last name Hayter
Age 25
Birth year 1829
Burial year 1854
Burial date 25 Aug 1854
Death year 1854
Residence Chiswick
Place Chiswick
County Middlesex
Source St.Nicholas Chiswick 1813-1855 burials


Thames & Medway Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Viola Sophia
Last name Hayter
Birth year 1852
Baptism year 1852
Baptism date 22 Feb 1852
Place Chiswick
County Middlesex
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Father's first name(s) Emanuel William
Source St.Nicholas Chiswick 1813-1855 baptisms


Births Mar 1852 (>99%)
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Hayter Voila Sophia Brentford 3a 63


(if below Marriage)


Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%)
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Hayter Emmanuel Westminster 1 348
Vane Mary Ann Westminster 1 348


Westminster Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Emanuel (Bachelor. Occ. Groom)
Last name Hayter
Age 21
Birth year 1829
Marriage year 1850 (February 12)
Parish St John the Evangelist, Smith Square
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann (Spinster)
Spouse's last name Vane
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's birth year 1829
(Father, William Hayter. Occ. Carrier. Her Father, Francis Vane. Occ. Bricklayer. Wits. Thomas and Jane Burnham)


Thames & Medway Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Mary
Last name Vain
Birth year 1828
Baptism year 1828
Baptism date 29 Jun 1828
Place Chiswick
County Middlesex
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Father's first name(s) Francis
Source St.Nicholas Chiswick 1813-1855 baptisms


1851 (Find My Past)
Emmanuel Hayter Head Married Male 21 1830 Brassfinisher Chiswick, Middlesex, England
Mary Hayter Wife Married Female 22 1829 - Chiswick, Middlesex, England
Emmanuel Hayter Son - Male 0 1851 - Chiswick, Middlesex, England
Street Catherine Street
Parish Saint Anne Limehouse
County Middlesx
Parliamentary borough The Tower Hamlets
Registration district Stepney
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1554
Folio 82
Page 31


Thames & Medway Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) William Emanuel
Last name Hayter
Birth year 1850
Baptism year 1850
Baptism date 22 Dec 1850
Place Chiswick
County Middlesex
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Father's first name(s) Emanuel William
Source St.Nicholas Chiswick 1813-1855 baptisms


Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Hayter William Emanuel Brentford 3 19


Thames & Medway Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Elizabeth Caroline
Last name Hayter
Birth year 1813
Birth date 15 Nov 1813
Baptism year 1816
Baptism date 14 Jan 1816
Place Chiswick
County Middlesex
Mother's first name(s) Sophia
Father's first name(s) William
Source St.Nicholas Chiswick 1813-1855 baptisms


Thames & Medway Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) George Alexander
Last name Fulton
Birth year 1813
Baptism year 1813
Baptism date 05 May 1813
Place Greenwich
County Kent
Mother's first name(s) Jane Childs
Father's first name(s) Alexander
Source St.Alphege Greenwich 1813-1825 baptisms

I do believe Viola's parents Emmanuel and Mary died when Viola was very young and George Alexander FULTON adopted her. The earlier census has her as his niece then the one after that has her as his daughter. I did notice on her MC she has George Alexander Hayter as her father and there is a George Alexander Fulton as a witness. I believe there is an error with the birth fathers name on her MC and it should have been Emmanuel William Hayter.
Jule

Thank you so much to greyghost, MargaretM, Maddie and Chris Ho. I really appreciate the efforts you all go to to help people. Ive just got home and have quickly skimmed through and Chris Ho you have the correct info re:

Marriages Jun 1843 (>99)
BINNIE Jane Bloomsbury 1 95
EVANS Alfred Bloomsbury 1 95

Simply because one of George's children he named Robert George "BINNIE Evans so George's mothers maiden name fits.

I was going to do some gardening but just told the hubby this is the best place to come to get help when Im stuck with the family tree and have had so much help Im now going to go through it all this instead!

thanks again, you are all just amazing <3 <3 <3
Julie

Shame some Baptisms not 'jumping out' Ancestry, lol, children born various part of London also...

Chris :)

Yeh, sorry Chris, just looking through and have now realised you had posted more. Yes, think age is wrong!

Yes, think that age for Alfred could be wrong!...

Chris :)

Hampshire baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) JANE
Last name BINNIE
Birth year 1817
Baptism year 1817
Baptism day 23
Baptism month Mar
Son or daughter Daughter
First parent's first name(s) Thomas
Second parent first name(s) Joanna
Parish PORTSEA ST JOHN


Hampshire Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name BINNIE
Marriage year 1812
Marriage day 26
Marriage month Jan
Place PORTSMOUTH ST THOMAS
Groom's first name Thomas
Groom's last name Binnie
Bride's first name Johanna
Bride's last name Byrne


(if belowl)

Deaths Jun 1874 (>99%)
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Evans Jane 57 Whitechapel 1c 232

Chris Ho posted a link that stated Alfred, George's father, arrived in New Zealand in 1875 on the HOWRAH.

No idea if that information was correct but these are the Evans travelling on the Howrah in 1875:

EVANS Alfred 46 A male Middlesex Plumber

Elizth 16 A female Middlesex Dressmaker

Louisa 13 A female

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shipstonz/PassLists/howrah1875.html

(possible below, 1851 61 71 already added above, with some Births)

Marriages Jun 1843 (>99)
BINNIE Jane Bloomsbury 1 95
EVANS Alfred Bloomsbury 1 95

Chris :)

Edits

All London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

Alfred Evans (Bachelor. Occ. Cheese Monger. Father. William Evans. Occ. Clerk E.I.C. (East India Company?)
5 Jun 1843 Jane Binnie St George, Bloomsbury (Spinster. Father. Thomas Binnie. Occ. Master Mariner. Wits. Robert Lincoln, Heneage Catterns. Residence, Alfred, 19 Drury Lane, Jane, 8 Museum Street)

I wonder if this is your George in 1851?

George Evans

in the 1851 England Census
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Name: George Evans
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's name: Alfred Evans
Mother's name: Jane Evans
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Upper Chelsea Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 304
Piece: 1474
Folio: 449
Page Number: 59
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Evans 33
Jane Evans 33
Alfred B Evans 6
George Evans 5
Thomas Evans 3
Jane R Evans 1

Father Alfred is a merchant here but same person in 1861 is a beer seller at Chester Arms Beer Shop, 15 Green St.

Alfred Evans

in the 1861 England Census
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Name: Alfred Evans
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Evans
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green St Matthew
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 256
Folio: 136
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Evans 43
Jane Evans 43
Thomas H Evans 13
Jane Evans 11
Edward Evans 7
Elizabeth Evans 1
Ann Abel 24

Births
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search
- is this where the George Alexander came from?

Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Mother's GivenName(s) Father's GivenName(s) Still Birth
1875/4483 Evans Viola Jane Viola Sophia George -
1877/891 Evans George Alexander Viola Sophia George -
1878/13301 Evans Frank Alfred Viola Sophia George -
1880/3124 Evans Louisa Mary Viola Sophia George -
1881/11459 Evans Robert William Binnie Viola Sophia George -
1883/6718 Evans Leonard Immanuel Viola Sophia George -
1885/10746 Evans Thomas Charles Viola Sophia George -
1888/1818 Evans Winnifred Laura Viola Sophia George

(below info. from google search, if you can find Passenger Lists, to get other names of Evans)

Chris :)

(1875, the Howrah made her second voyage to Wellington, sailing from London with 260 immigrants on the 30th July, and arriving at her destination on the 9th November, the passage occupying 92 days.


http://www.huttcity.govt.nz/Leisure--Culture/Museums-and-galleries/Our-museums/petone-settlers-data/?page=3&searchString=HOWRAH


(if relating, Louise and Elizabeth on above, look to be below perhaps)

1871 (Find My Past)
Alfred Evans Head - Male 53 1818 (Metal Dealer) - Middlesex, England
Jane Evans Wife - Female 54 1817 - Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Evans Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Middlesex, England
Louisa Evans Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Middlesex, England
Street Norman Road
Parish St Mary
County London, Middlesex
Registration district Poplar
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 577
Folio 58
Page 34


1861 (Find My Past)
Alfred Evans Head Married Male 43 1818 Beer Seller London, Middlesex, England
Janes Evans Wife Married Female 43 1818 Beer Seller Wife Portsea, Hampshire, England
Thomas H Evans Son Unmarried Male 13 1848 - Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Jane Evans Daughter - Female 11 1850 - Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Edward Evans Son - Male 7 1854 - Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Evans Daughter - Female 1 1860 - London, Middlesex, England
Ann Abel Servant - Female 24 1837 Housemaid London, Middlesex, England
House name Chesters Arms Beer Shop
Street Green Street
Parish Bethnal Green
Municipal ward East
Parliamentary borough Tower Hamlets
Ecclesiastical district St Johns
Registration district Bethnal Green
Enumeration district 18
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 256
Folio number 136


1851 (Find My Past)
Alfred Evans Head Married Male 33 1818 Merchant Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Jane Evans Wife Married Female 33 1818 Stay Maker Hampshire, England
Alfred R Evans Son - Male 6 1845 - Newbrough (Newington), Surrey, England
George Evans Son - Male 5 1846 - Islington, England
Thomas Evans Son - Male 3 1848 - -
Jane R Evans Daughter - Female 1 1850
Street Kings Road
Town Hans
Parish Saint Luke Chelsea
County Middlesex
Registration district Chelsea
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1474
Folio 449
Page 59


Births Jun 1844 (>99%)
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Evans Alfred Robert Newington 4 321


Births Mar 1850 (>99%)
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Evans Jane Rebecca Chelsea 3 37

All London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

Jane Rebecca Evans
24 Nov 1867 Samuel Webb St John, Bethnal Green
(Father, Alfred. Occ. Licensed Victualler, also witness named Alfred Evans)

(notes below too on Ancestry, also has Father Alfred, Licensed Victualler, witnesses, Samuel Webb, J Webb, if relating)

Thomas Evans
11 Oct 1868 Jane Pelling St Leonard St Mary, Bromley


(possible below)

Death
1885/5608 Evans Alfred 68Y

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search

??
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/FS18910818.2.7?query=%22viola%20evans%22

Meeting of creditors for Bankruptcy estate of Mrs Viola Evans etc etc

Mrs Evans said she had begun business in Nov 1889 having no money to start with - her husband took ill in Feb 1891 and died in April etc etc

Another couple of notices

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/FS18910806.2.19.2?query=%22viola%20evans%22

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/FS18910806.2.19.2?query=%22viola%20evans%22

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?

Results for a George Evans death between 1874 and 1893 if correct Viola registered as a widow on 1893 ER's. There are others up to her death date

Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Date of Birth/Age at Death
1897/6463 Evans George Thomas 89Y
1876/4176 Evans George 14Y
1893/3817 Evans George Henry 44Y
1899/5538 Evans John George 64Y
1891/1342 Evans George 45Y Orde
1877/4212 Evans George 5W Order
1885/5695 Evans George Edwin 6M
1896/4599 Evans George Edward 43Y
1879/2101 Evans George NR

Will just add these in case you don't have them

New Zealand Electoral Rolls 1896 Transcription

First name(s) Viola Sophia
Last name Evans
Number 3589
Electoral year 1896
Occupation domestic duties
Residence Colyton
Electorate Rangitikei Supp 1
Qualification residential
Property qualification -
Country New Zealand

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New Zealand Electoral Rolls 1911 Transcription

First name(s) Viola Sophia
Last name Evans
Electoral year 1911
Number 1771
Occupation/status domestic duties
Residence Taonui
Electorate Oroua
Qualification -
Country New Zealand
Source 1911